CO2
radiative heating only contributed a trivial amount of warming and has had no impact on expanding Antarctic Ice.
CO2
radiative heating only contributed a trivial amount of warming [to the Arctic] and has had no impact on expanding Antarctic Ice.
Not exact matches
If the atmosphere consisted of Oxygen / Nitrogen
only, its thermal conductivity would be very low, solar
heating would be much the same, and the insulation effect (and the gravitational lapse rate) would produce a substantial temperature differential from the surface to the top of the atmosphere without any
radiative absorption.
Therefore, for the Earth climate system, radiation is the
ONLY heat loss mechanism, and therefore
radiative absorption is key.
As far as I know, if the
only physical mechanism under consideration is the
radiative cooling of the planet's surface (which was
heated by shortwave solar radiation and reradiated at longer wavelengths in the infrared) via
radiative transport, additional gas of any kind can
only result in a higher equilibrium temperature.
A compelling argument for the positive longwave response is a leading alternate to Lindzen's IRIS although it receives less attention, and is known as the FAT hypothesis (from Dennis Hartmann) and arises from the fundamental physics of convection
only heating the atmosphere where
radiative cooling is efficient, and thus the temperature at the top of convective cloudiness should be near constant as it becomes warmer.
Don't the oceans have to absorb
heat not
only in the surface / mid layers but right down to the bottom for
radiative heat balance to occur?
The fact is that
Radiative Heat Transfer accounts for
only 19 % of the overall transfer of energy from the surface to the atmosphere.
It's counter-intuitive to hypothesize that, say for example
only, AST going quite flat then dropping for a while indicates «global warming» increasing simultaneous with the AST dropping (oceans take
heat suddenly in my example, AST drops, TOA
radiative imbalance increases).
Introduction of nondimensional variables w ≡ Wρ / β and p = P / (q Oβ) results in the nondimensional equation which depends on two parameters
only: The dimensionless net
radiative influx r ≡ R · ɛαρ2 / (C pβ2) and a measure for the relative role of latent and advective
heat transport Large l corresponds to a strong influence of moisture advection (scaling as Lq Oβp) on the continental
heat budget compared with
heat advection by large - scale and synoptic processes (scaling as C pβ2 w 2 / (αɛρ2)-RRB-.
So the argument is made that chaos
only provides «noise», while the dominant trends are due to
heat and
radiative balance.
Climastrologists assumed the surface of our planet to be a near blackbody that could
only heat to 255K for an average of 240 w / m2 of solar radiation if there were no
radiative atmosphere.
The
only reasonable conclusion - call it a null hypothesis - is that
heat is no longer accumulating in the climate system and there is no longer a
radiative imbalance caused by anthropogenic forcing.
As you say, convection uses up a lot of energy too and also counters the idea of
radiative heat transfer as a big ticket item because «hot» CO2 molecules
only remain so for a brief fraction of a second before they collide with N2 or O2 to warm that localised parcel of air; which then rises to attain equilibrium T somewhere higher and at a COLDER temp so no rad Transf!!!
The climate response depends not
only upon the TOA forcing, but its difference with respect to the surface value, which represents
radiative heating within the atmosphere.
«The dual wave and particle nature of radiation is recognised, but it is considered more appropriate, and indeed necessary, for an understanding of
radiative heat transfer to consider the frequencies and intensities associated with the wave nature of radiation, for
only then can the one - way transfer of
heat be described and quantified in a meaningful manner.»
In air, the
radiative heat transfer flux for 0.9 emissivity steel only exceeds natural convection at c. 100 deg C. For aluminium it's about 300 deg C. Check any of the standard engineering texts, e.g. McAdam «Heat Transfer» to confirm (it's in the tables of combined heat transfer coefficien
heat transfer flux for 0.9 emissivity steel
only exceeds natural convection at c. 100 deg C. For aluminium it's about 300 deg C. Check any of the standard engineering texts, e.g. McAdam «
Heat Transfer» to confirm (it's in the tables of combined heat transfer coefficien
Heat Transfer» to confirm (it's in the tables of combined
heat transfer coefficien
heat transfer coefficients).
The dynamics of the system are governed by the lapse rate which is «anchored» to the ground and whose variations are dependent not
only on convection, latent
heat changes and conduction but also
radiative transfer.
On the moon the
only mechanism for
heat loss is
radiative to space and conductive from the interior to the surface.
Irrespective of what one thinks about aerosol forcing, it would be hard to argue that the rate of net forcing increase and / or over-all
radiative imbalance has actually dropped markedly in recent years, so any change in net
heat uptake can
only be reasonably attributed to a bit of natural variability or observational uncertainty.
There is some conduction at the surface from the atmosphere, and there is some
radiative heating at, and just below the surface, but that
heat will
only transfer through the water itself through convection.
Because the
only way for the earth to cool is by
radiative output into space, and because of the present
heat content, we have stored energy in the billions of years behind us.
There have been many «
heated» discussions on various blogs as to the hypothetical structure of the atmosphere composed of no greenhouse gases,
only non
radiative gases.
It is not «conduction» but exchange of radiation; if you keep your hands parallel at a distance of some cm the right hand does not (radiatively) «warm» the left hand or vice versa albeit at 33 °C skin temperature they exchange some hundreds of W / m ² (about 500 W / m ²) The solar radiation reaching the surface (for 71 % of the surface, the oceans) is lost by evaporation (or evapotranspiration of the vegetation), plus some convection (20 W / ²) and some radiation reaching the cosmos directly through the window 8µm to 12 µm (about 20 W / m ² «global» average);
only the
radiative heat flow surface to air (absorbed by the air) is negligible (plus or minus); the non
radiative (latent
heat, sensible
heat) are transferred for surface to air and compensate for a part of the
heat lost to the cosmos by the upper layer of the water vapour displayed on figure 6 - C.
Therefore the evaporation increases
only through warming and that means that in can never fully compensate the additional
radiative heating.
Moreover, since gas molecules don't absorb IR across the spectrum but
only on molecular lines, cutting off the
radiative heat flow would not be nearly as effective as simply silvering the walls and pulling a vacuum in the void between the walls.
First,
radiative heat transfer will
only occur with the approximately 2 % of the gaseous molecules that are IR active.
Is this point
only about the
radiative characteristics of the H2O vapour, and the assumption that relative and / or specific humidity should rise thanks to CO2 - induced increased evaporation, which in turn would increase downwelling
heat radiation — or just the part that slightly hotter surface (due to CO2) also emits more
heat to be trapped by the vater vapour?
Fred Souder says (February 21, 2011 at 3:02 pm):» Again,
radiative heat transfer
ONLY occurs in the direction from a hot source to a cold source.»
Radiative forcing only accounts for about 1/3 of ocean heat loss — when radiative heat loss is reduced the ocean simply loses more heat the way it loses the majority of its heat
Radiative forcing
only accounts for about 1/3 of ocean
heat loss — when
radiative heat loss is reduced the ocean simply loses more heat the way it loses the majority of its heat
radiative heat loss is reduced the ocean simply loses more
heat the way it loses the majority of its
heat already.
D Cotton June 15, 2013 at 6:38 am The whole of the pseudo physics of greenhouse effects and assumed
heating of the surface by back radiation (or «
radiative forcing») is trying to utilise the Stefan - Boltzmann equation which
only relates to bodies in a vacuum losing all their energy by radiation without any conduction or evaporative cooling.
... I now know I'm not the
only one to have noticed that
radiative models are missing a large piece of the puzzle [Latent
Heat].
Therefore it is
only the net energy flows which need be considered when estimating the
radiative heat transfers in the diagram.
According to Lindzen, if there were
only radiative transfer of
heat, that 323w / m2 of backradiation would create a greenhouse effect of 77C instead of 15C [288K]; the greenhouse effect is
only working at less than 25 % of its potential.
We assume that the atmosphere is in
radiative equilibrium — that is, convection does not exist and so
only radiation moves
heat around.
Radiative heat transfer is not the
only mechanism, and some of what is observed today is not explained: on another thread is a discussion of clouds.
Recall that Teh Modulz are not
only tuned to GMST, but to things like cloud, snow and ice coverage as well as ocean
heat content — all of which have an impact on
radiative balance and hence energy budget of the system, not to mention energy redistribution internally.
Or it may be that as an instantaneous solution to
radiative transfer, HITRAN is ok, but to the question of non-instantaneous energy transfer from the surface to the TOA which necessarily includes convection and transfer of energy by latent
heat of vaporisation and more... then it
only tells part of the story.