No, a simplistic application of
radiative physics does not apply.
Then how come
your radiative physics does not exist in engineering textbooks or the atmosphere?
Not exact matches
You've got the
radiative physics, the measurements of ocean temperature and land temperature, the changes in ocean heat content (Hint — upwards, whereas if if was just a matter of circulation moving heat around you might expect something more simple) and of course observed predictions such as stratospheric cooling which you don't get when warming occurs from oceanic circulation.
I suspect given what we know about
radiative physics and what we don't know about the sun during a prolonged grand minimum it is equally likely that it will be no warmer in 2100 than it is today.
And Bob, don't forget to explain just how these natural factors would negate the known and demonstrated
radiative physics of greenhouse gases.
On the possibility of a changing cloud cover «forcing» global warming in recent times (assuming we can just ignore the CO2
physics and current literature on feedbacks, since I don't see a contradiction between an internal
radiative forcing and positive feedbacks), one would have to explain a few things, like why the diurnal temperature gradient would decrease with a planet being warmed by decreased albedo... why the stratosphere should cool... why winters should warm faster than summers... essentially the same questions that come with the cosmic ray hypothesis.
Chaos doesn't enter into the forcing term — it's classical
radiative physics.
I'm referring to people that 1) don't believe in
radiative physics 2) claim that CO2 can only
do good 5)
do not support advanced air pollution control for toxics and short duration GHGs Ok yes, there is the odd handful of those.
I look at the basics of
radiative physics and ask follow - up questions about details, including details entailed in non-
radiative physics My favorite questions to date: (1) if, as Chris Colose wrote in the earlier thread, Willis Eschenbach's graphical analysis of cloud cover and temperature is basically correct,
does that not make a reasonable case that cloud cover increases can be expected to prevent future warming from future CO2 increases?
I have looked at the
physics that claims that this can be
done, and I am as certain as I can be that there is no proper
physics that allows us to even estimate, let alone measure, how much global temperature changes as a result of a change in
radiative forcing.
Natural variability
does not mean that simple
radiative physics ceases to function.
It's weird that skeptic «y»
does believe in
radiative physics.
Well — no it doesn't — it won't — and while is some very basic
radiative physics involved — the fundamental mechanism of climate is chaos.
Consider this one: Basic «
radiative transfer
physics» doesn't magically means AGW.
This remains to be seen, of course, but it's important to point out that the trospospheric amplification prediction
does not originate in the models but in the basic
physics of
radiative transfer in combination with the Clausius - Clapeyron relationship describing the change in atmospheric water vapor as a function of temperature.
It is the principles of
radiative physics, the acceptance of which forms the dividing line between those you listen to and those you don't listen to.
BBD writes - «Finite fossil hydrocarbon reserves (note I
do not limit this definition to «fuel») plus robust
physics of
radiative transfer, plus paleoclimate evidence plus uncertainty are, together, more than sufficient grounds to justify the rapid reduction in fossil HC use.»
Well, yes, I
do presume that basic
radiative physics is correct, it's been around for a century or so.
We know this from fundamental
physics B) the final temp and the temporal and spatial evolution of that temperature is a combination of many factors, some which we understand well (
radiative physics) and some which we
do nt understand very well..
If I don't have to look at forcings or
radiative physics to know the greenhouse effect is causing these changes, I want to know.
Finite fossil hydrocarbon reserves (note I
do not limit this definition to «fuel») plus robust
physics of
radiative transfer, plus paleoclimate evidence plus uncertainty are, together, more than sufficient grounds to justify the rapid reduction in fossil HC use.
Peter — he was talking about the poltical will to act wrt climate change, ie., burying your head in the sand doesn't stop
radiative physics.
I don't think it can without violating the known rules of
radiative physics.
For those who
do not believe an warmer but still cold atmospheric layer can not cause the surface to warm clearly
do not understand the basic
physics of
radiative heat transfer.
Anyway,
do you agree that there is a major difference between the «simple
physics» versions («CO2 acts like a giant blanket») and the more sophisticated
radiative physics - based models used in the global climate models (for instance)?
Measurements of net
radiative balance
do not disprove this basic fact of
physics.
Radiative Transfer
Physics does not depend entirely on the simple absorbtivity of CO2, which by the way is effectively permanent in air when added by burning fossil fuels, compared to water which saturates and precipitates out depending on climate conditions, such as warming due the GHE, as a marginal shift in the dynamic equilibrium through feedbacks.
Again, I don't think you can provide evidence of Judy arguing that
radiative heat transfer
physics is faulty.
I don't see anywhere in his CV where he has advanced degrees in
radiative physics that would lend credence to his being a «greenhouse gas expert.»
On the other hand, this issue
does involve complexities of atmospheric
radiative physics,
does it not?
Involving the adiabatic lapse rate is an effort to reconcile
radiative physics with the Ideal Gas Law but taking the effective radiating height as the appropriate «surface»
does not work for reasons that I will discuss in more detail in Parts B and C of this article.
That is what seems to be coming out of this, but I
do want this to follow proper
physics and
radiative transfer keeping out of areas which
do not really even apply if you can approach it correct.
Why don't you pick up an introductory textbook on climatology,
radiative transfer, or atmosphere
physics, and actually read it?
Do you think such experimentation to understand the basic laws of
radiative physics has never been
done?!?! If you want to understand the laws of
radiative physics, I suggest that you go read about them.
I noticed it was a pile of crap when in the first chapter the authors sta, rted throwing around the diffusion equation without any reason to
do so (the greenhouse gas theory of climate has very little to
do with the heat diffusion) and began accusing every person who has studied
radiative physics with confusion reflection and absorbtion / emission.