With
regards to climate models, there is a new paper by Jiping Liu in PNAS that infers from CMIP5 climate model simulations that the Arctic will be ice free in September by around 2054 - 58.
With
regards to climate models, we have to look at the feasibility of using computational fluid dynamics to produce predictions that actually model reality.
Not exact matches
Even James Hansen
regards climate models only as reliable as their inputs, which are exceedingly complex with respect
to climate variables.
For example, when examining hurricanes and typhoons, the lack of a high - quality, long - term historical record, uncertainty
regarding the impact of
climate change on storm frequency and inability
to accurately simulate these storms in most global
climate models raises significant challenges when attributing assessing the impact of
climate change on any single storm.
Using
climate modeling techniques, the scientists found no consensus
regarding whether the blizzard could be attributed
to a changing
climate.
Can science results be used effectively in policy - oriented integrated assessment
models that are our only tool for evaluating global - level impacts of policy and
climate change, particularly with
regard to land use?
-- 7) Forest
models for Montana that account for changes in both climate and resulting vegetation distribution and patterns; 8) Models that account for interactions and feedbacks in climate - related impacts to forests (e.g., changes in mortality from both direct increases in warming and increased fire risk as a result of warming); 9) Systems thinking and modeling regarding climate effects on understory vegetation and interactions with forest trees; 10) Discussion of climate effects on urban forests and impacts to cityscapes and livability; 11) Monitoring and time - series data to inform adaptive management efforts (i.e., to determine outcome of a management action and, based on that outcome, chart future course of action); 12) Detailed decision support systems to provide guidance for managing for adapt
models for Montana that account for changes in both
climate and resulting vegetation distribution and patterns; 8)
Models that account for interactions and feedbacks in climate - related impacts to forests (e.g., changes in mortality from both direct increases in warming and increased fire risk as a result of warming); 9) Systems thinking and modeling regarding climate effects on understory vegetation and interactions with forest trees; 10) Discussion of climate effects on urban forests and impacts to cityscapes and livability; 11) Monitoring and time - series data to inform adaptive management efforts (i.e., to determine outcome of a management action and, based on that outcome, chart future course of action); 12) Detailed decision support systems to provide guidance for managing for adapt
Models that account for interactions and feedbacks in
climate - related impacts
to forests (e.g., changes in mortality from both direct increases in warming and increased fire risk as a result of warming); 9) Systems thinking and
modeling regarding climate effects on understory vegetation and interactions with forest trees; 10) Discussion of
climate effects on urban forests and impacts
to cityscapes and livability; 11) Monitoring and time - series data
to inform adaptive management efforts (i.e.,
to determine outcome of a management action and, based on that outcome, chart future course of action); 12) Detailed decision support systems
to provide guidance for managing for adaptation.
However, there are lots of disagreements discussed here — in
regard to climate sensitivity, hurricanes, aerosols,
climate modelling etc. but most of these are serious discussions amongst people who are genuinely trying
to come
to an answer.
Because this
climate sensitivity is derived from empirical data on how Earth responded
to past changes of boundary conditions, including atmospheric composition, our conclusions about limits on fossil fuel emissions can be
regarded as largely independent of
climate models.
Before tackling the most significant school challenges, schools need
to build their own local resource expertise in the
model of a professional learning community that builds competence and networking
regarding school culture and
climate and social - emotional and character development.
The third hybrid
model of the new S - Class, the S 500 PLUG - IN HYBRID, sets new benchmarks with
regard to efficiency as well as drive - system and
climate comfort.
Responding
to the current
climate of art fairs in
regard to artistic production and reception, Paris Internationale is a joint initiative from five emerging galleries — Crèvecoeur, High Art, Antoine Levi, Sultana and Gregor Staiger — as a collective attempt
to develop an appropriate
model for fostering new advanced initiatives in contemporary art.
With due
regard for complexities of the issue, if my understanding of these terms is basically correct, then I have a problem in that while these two elements must be integrated
to produce
climate truth, it's not clear
to me how, without a validated
model in the first place, all the proper data can be gathered.
There are other and very separate issues you've raised (in minimal detail)
regarding models, but quite frankly GCMs are not and never were intended
to project decadal scale variability — and over the scales that those
climate models cover there's certainly no «hiatus».
Regarding climate change effects in the WHO results, according
to the UK's Hadley Center
climate model (HadCM2 — IS92a scenario)
climate - change induced disease risks could double by the year 2030 — all other factors held constant.
Mike's work, like that of previous award winners, is diverse, and includes pioneering and highly cited work in time series analysis (an elegant use of Thomson's multitaper spectral analysis approach
to detect spatiotemporal oscillations in the
climate record and methods for smoothing temporal data), decadal climate variability (the term «Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation» or «AMO» was coined by Mike in an interview with Science's Richard Kerr about a paper he had published with Tom Delworth of GFDL showing evidence in both climate model simulations and observational data for a 50 - 70 year oscillation in the climate system; significantly Mike also published work with Kerry Emanuel in 2006 showing that the AMO concept has been overstated as regards its role in 20th century tropical Atlantic SST changes, a finding recently reaffirmed by a study published in Nature), in showing how changes in radiative forcing from volcanoes can affect ENSO, in examining the role of solar variations in explaining the pattern of the Medieval Climate Anomaly and Little Ice Age, the relationship between the climate changes of past centuries and phenomena such as Atlantic tropical cyclones and global sea level, and even a bit of work in atmospheric chemistry (an analysis of beryllium - 7 measure
climate record and methods for smoothing temporal data), decadal
climate variability (the term «Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation» or «AMO» was coined by Mike in an interview with Science's Richard Kerr about a paper he had published with Tom Delworth of GFDL showing evidence in both climate model simulations and observational data for a 50 - 70 year oscillation in the climate system; significantly Mike also published work with Kerry Emanuel in 2006 showing that the AMO concept has been overstated as regards its role in 20th century tropical Atlantic SST changes, a finding recently reaffirmed by a study published in Nature), in showing how changes in radiative forcing from volcanoes can affect ENSO, in examining the role of solar variations in explaining the pattern of the Medieval Climate Anomaly and Little Ice Age, the relationship between the climate changes of past centuries and phenomena such as Atlantic tropical cyclones and global sea level, and even a bit of work in atmospheric chemistry (an analysis of beryllium - 7 measure
climate variability (the term «Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation» or «AMO» was coined by Mike in an interview with Science's Richard Kerr about a paper he had published with Tom Delworth of GFDL showing evidence in both
climate model simulations and observational data for a 50 - 70 year oscillation in the climate system; significantly Mike also published work with Kerry Emanuel in 2006 showing that the AMO concept has been overstated as regards its role in 20th century tropical Atlantic SST changes, a finding recently reaffirmed by a study published in Nature), in showing how changes in radiative forcing from volcanoes can affect ENSO, in examining the role of solar variations in explaining the pattern of the Medieval Climate Anomaly and Little Ice Age, the relationship between the climate changes of past centuries and phenomena such as Atlantic tropical cyclones and global sea level, and even a bit of work in atmospheric chemistry (an analysis of beryllium - 7 measure
climate model simulations and observational data for a 50 - 70 year oscillation in the
climate system; significantly Mike also published work with Kerry Emanuel in 2006 showing that the AMO concept has been overstated as regards its role in 20th century tropical Atlantic SST changes, a finding recently reaffirmed by a study published in Nature), in showing how changes in radiative forcing from volcanoes can affect ENSO, in examining the role of solar variations in explaining the pattern of the Medieval Climate Anomaly and Little Ice Age, the relationship between the climate changes of past centuries and phenomena such as Atlantic tropical cyclones and global sea level, and even a bit of work in atmospheric chemistry (an analysis of beryllium - 7 measure
climate system; significantly Mike also published work with Kerry Emanuel in 2006 showing that the AMO concept has been overstated as
regards its role in 20th century tropical Atlantic SST changes, a finding recently reaffirmed by a study published in Nature), in showing how changes in radiative forcing from volcanoes can affect ENSO, in examining the role of solar variations in explaining the pattern of the Medieval
Climate Anomaly and Little Ice Age, the relationship between the climate changes of past centuries and phenomena such as Atlantic tropical cyclones and global sea level, and even a bit of work in atmospheric chemistry (an analysis of beryllium - 7 measure
Climate Anomaly and Little Ice Age, the relationship between the
climate changes of past centuries and phenomena such as Atlantic tropical cyclones and global sea level, and even a bit of work in atmospheric chemistry (an analysis of beryllium - 7 measure
climate changes of past centuries and phenomena such as Atlantic tropical cyclones and global sea level, and even a bit of work in atmospheric chemistry (an analysis of beryllium - 7 measurements).
James -
regarding your comment # 8, I completely agree with you that we need
to apply
models to better understand
climate system processes in response
to the spectrum of natural - and human -
climate forcings and feedbacks.
In this
regard it's important
to consider the difference between Crowley et al (2000), who use an energy balance
model with a sensitivity of 2.0
to get something like the MBH99 reconstruction, and the ECHO - G
climate model, which has a sensitivity of 3.5 and reasonable stratospheric component and gives somthing like Moberg.
Its worth getting past their tabloid like headline «
Climate change: a model cock - up» to where they do try to address the issues regarding climate mod
Climate change: a
model cock - up»
to where they do try
to address the issues
regarding climate mod
climate modelling.
In LGM simulations land albedo changes are prescribed (at least in
regards to ice sheets and altered topography due
to sea level; there are feedback land albedo changes) so are a forcing, whereas sea ice is determined interactively by the
model climate, so is a feedback in this framework.
I think information
regarding emerging
climate trends and their correlation
to climate models would be useful (though, understandably, at this time tentative).
While there have been several attempts
to explain the lack of meaningful action
regarding climate change, these
models have not developed into an integrated and empirically supported approach.
Finally, none of these
models are able
to coherently explain the inter-related phenomena
regarding climate change that is occurring at the individual, small group, institutional, and societal levels.
1)
Regarding the 1970s shift, Ray mentions that: «It's not evident why the smooth trend in 20th century
climate forcing should give rise
to such an abrupt shift, and indeed the individual members of the
model ensemble do not show a clearly analogous shift.»
Well it depends on whether you are talking about
Climate Sensitivity (Charney sensitivity... which is
modelled) or Earth System Sensitivity (where things like ice sheet extent, vegetation cover etc are
regarded as able
to respond quickly
to warming).
The
climate models are built without
regard to the natural 60 and more importantly 1000 year periodicities so obvious in the temperature record.
Here is a quote from realclimate.org, reacting
to a new paper questioning
climate models» assumptions
regarding temperature feedbacks:
With
regards to «
climate modelling», an assumed (positive water vapour feedback) warming mechanism that can not be observed, that there is no experimental evidence for, combined with after the fact, admitted as invented cooling factors....
This is how the
climate models seem
to represent it — they multiply the effect of CO2, and they do this with a degree of certainty
regarding CO2 NOT matched by a similar degree of certainty
regarding water vapor (the most abundant greenhouse gas of all).
A stern lesson from history Wyatt / Curry stadium waves require confirmation from analysis and computation; otherwise they risk being
regarded as one more statistics - driven
model, of which the
climate literature already contains innumerably many... this large corpus of cycle - seeking pure - statistics
climate models is (rightly) ignored by most scientists, due
to the dismal track record of cycle - seeking science in
regard to explanatory and predictive power.
The chart at top displays the huge prediction failure of IPCC
climate models in
regards to global warming - the IPCC predictions vs. actual temperature reality.
The aerosol forcing is the biggest tuning in this
regard in many
climate models, although the GISS
model uses published forward calculations (the right thing
to do, but still fraught with great uncertainty), whereas many
climate models use an inverse method
to get aerosol forcing that matches.
Yet some kind of
climate model is indispensable
to make future predictions of the
climate system and IPCC has identified several reasons for respect in the
climate models including the fact that
models are getting better in predicting what monitoring evidence is actually observing around the world in
regard to temperature, ice and snow cover, droughts and floods, and sea level rise among other things.
The attempt
to distinguish between the terms «projection» and «prediction», whether by the IPCC or others, has introduced an unnecessary confusion
to the impacts and policy communities
regarding the skill of regional and local multi-decadal
climate model runs.
My response
to the claim by Hans von Storch
regarding his proposed 4th type of
climate modeling application is
A significant and serious concern among mainstream
climate scientists in this
regard is the inability of the
models to predict
climate surprises, that is, rapid non-linear changes in the
climate system that have happened in the historical
climate record and that may be triggered by current human activities.
The
climate models, on which the whole global warming scare is based, are built without
regard to the natural 60 and even more important 1000 year periodicities and lack even average common sense.
With
regard to model - obs comparison (not possible for your
climate sensitivity example), the test is really whether the
model mean is is consistent with a given observation trend.
These include efforts
to retract the Clean Power Plan,
to eliminate the use of the social cost of carbon as currently constituted in federal cost / benefit analyses, and acknowledgement the current generation of
climate models has no utility with
regard to policy.
As for
Climate Etc «s «usual suspects» in
regard to non-standard thermodynamical
models... surely they deserve a learning opportunity too!
All these years Steve has maintained a very clear (and always polite) stance: he proposed himself
to audit some data,
models, procedures and conclusions, while not defending or declaring any particular position about the claims made by
Climate Science regarding anthropogenic climate change, global warming and other similar
Climate Science
regarding anthropogenic
climate change, global warming and other similar
climate change, global warming and other similar issues.
This paper aims
to address the question of how the runoff extremes change in the future compared
to the historical time period, investigate the different behaviors of the regional
climate models (RCMs)
regarding the runoff extremes and assess the seasonal variations of runoff extremes.
Because this
climate sensitivity is derived from empirical data on how Earth responded
to past changes of boundary conditions, including atmospheric composition, our conclusions about limits on fossil fuel emissions can be
regarded as largely independent of
climate models.
Regarding the IPCC and reconstructed temperature, one of the games the IPCC played was
to overlap various
climate models to widen the suggested uncertainties for a given time period, but this fails
to account for correlations in errors over time of individual
models.
These methods do not use physical information provided by
climate models regarding the expected response magnitudes
to constrain the estimated responses
to the forcings.
Doc, with
regard to point 3, if I was a
climate scientist, I would want
to know why my
model is not tracking reality and want
to fix it so that at least the last 15 years or so match up with reality.
The new NIPCC report starts with an introduction covering «uncertainty»
regarding climate model outputs, which appears
to me
to be pretty close
to the viewpoint on this topic, which you have expressed.
The goal is
to improve
model biases with
regards to hydrographic measurements and circulation constraints and use the improved
model for coupled ocean - atmosphere simulations of preindustrial, historical and future
climates.
the
model you've come up with is just as useless as the GCMs that the Alarmists use, unless it can be made
to have some sort of skill with
regards to predicting future
climate.
I don't doubt that these cycles affect the earth's temperature, but the
model you've come up with is just as useless as the GCMs that the Alarmists use, unless it can be made
to have some sort of skill with
regards to predicting future
climate.