The more you read on it, the more one wonders how they can use tree -
rings as proxies for temperature at all.
And if those other factors are affecting things since 1940 (or 1960, take your pick), then not only do the researchers using the tree -
rings as proxies for temperature need to delineate what is going on since then, but they have to then project that backward, too — and show all the reasons for all of that and then show the new, corrected, results of the past, as the proxy picture shows it.
I think that using tree -
rings as a proxy for temperature could be considered incorrect science.
Mr McIntyre: Im sorry that this commenter's language was too intemperate... However, the use of tree
rings as a proxy for temperature, when one can not control for the myriad of other factors that influence tree growth, brings into question the entire enterprise, no?
Not exact matches
That article discussed Eddy's use of the tree -
ring 14C record
as an inversely correlated
proxy indicator
for sunspot activity, but does not appear to be relevant to a discussion of tree -
rings as a
temperature proxy.
Van Oldenborgh used both modern and early
temperature records,
as well
as sources like tree
rings, which can act
as a
proxy for very old
temperatures, to observe Europe's
temperature records back to 1500 and determined that 2014 will almost certainly be the warmest year Europe has experienced during the past 500 years.
This would completely invalidate the use of tree
ring data
as proxies for past
temperature reconstruction.
The graph uses American network evening news coverage
as a
proxy for broader news interest, so it's a sketch, akin to using borehole
temperature or tree
rings as substitutes
for thermometers:
This is wonderfully edifying
for so short an exchange, Mike, but your candor
as to variability suggests tree
rings leave a lot to be desired
as temperature proxies.
Come over here and defend Bristlecones or any tree
rings,
for that matter,
as temperature proxies.
For mush less academic reasons, I agree that tree rings are not good proxies for temperature, since tree rings are also used as proxies for precipitati
For mush less academic reasons, I agree that tree
rings are not good
proxies for temperature, since tree rings are also used as proxies for precipitati
for temperature, since tree
rings are also used
as proxies for precipitati
for precipitation.
The «hockey stick» describes a reconstruction of past
temperature over the past 1000 to 2000 years using tree -
rings, ice cores, coral and other records that act
as proxies for temperature (Mann 1999).
Consequently, tree -
ring width and tree -
ring density, both indicators of tree growth, serve
as useful
proxies for temperature.
I also note that I have had a shot at the hockey stick at the basic level of whether tree
rings are even valid
as a
proxy for long term
temperature reconstruction (Loehle, C. 2004.
In other words, can we rely on tree -
ring growth
as a
proxy for temperature?
So, the thickness of the tree
rings in each year could be used
as a
proxy for local summer
temperatures.
But
for years prior to that, scientists can only infer
temperatures using what's called «
proxies,» such
as ice cores or tree
rings, whose annual growth can be correlated with annual
temperature variations.
The divergence problem itself is explained here [blogspot.com]- in short, tree -
ring data used is used
as a
proxy for temperature but data
for North America «diverges» from other readings around the middle of the 20th century.
Instead, they are good
proxies for whatever makes tree
ring widths change in size, and this is then defined by MBH
as representing a climactic signal with zero supporting evidence and no means to quantify this relationship in terms of
temperature..
Moreover,
as I have believed all along, there is just not enough of a scientific basis
for even attempting to use tree
rings for temperature proxies.
[BTW,
for the record, I believe Rob Wilson to be a genuinely honest person, who believes in tree
rings as accurate
temperature proxies.
I still have no faith in tree
rings as a
proxy for global
temperature.
Mondo, I'm sorry my comment related explicitly to the oxygen isotope, O - 18,
as a
proxy for temperature and not tree
rings.
The «sceptical» blogosphere had in fact been excercised
for much longer by
temperature records - the much - discussed hockey stick controversy, allegations that data and methods were being kept secret, the use of
temperature proxies such
as tree -
rings, and so on.
This conclusion was based on tree
rings, ice cores, coral and other records
as proxies for temperature.
For the moment, I don't see tree rings as valid proxies — for temperature OR precipitati
For the moment, I don't see tree
rings as valid
proxies —
for temperature OR precipitati
for temperature OR precipitation.
As stated by Dr. Jeffrey Foss, author of the 2009 book Beyond Environmentalism: A philosophy of Nature: «tree
rings are not a reliable
proxy for temperature.»
The tree
ring data was used
as a
proxy for temperature.
For example, recent warming has not shown up as strongly in tree ring proxies, raising the question of whether they may also be missing rapid temperature changes or peaks in earlier data for which we don't have thermometers to back - check them (this is an oft - discussed problem called proxy divergenc
For example, recent warming has not shown up
as strongly in tree
ring proxies, raising the question of whether they may also be missing rapid
temperature changes or peaks in earlier data
for which we don't have thermometers to back - check them (this is an oft - discussed problem called proxy divergenc
for which we don't have thermometers to back - check them (this is an oft - discussed problem called
proxy divergence).
The earlier data comes from some sort of
proxy analysis (ice cores, tree
rings, sediments, etc.) While we know these
proxies generally change with
temperature, there are still a lot of questions
as to their accuracy and, perhaps more importantly
for us here, whether they vary linearly or have any sort of attenuation of the peaks.