Annan
said equilibrium climate sensitivity is unlikely to be higher than 4.5 °C - there are few if any mainstream climate scientists who would disagree with this.
Annan
said equilibrium climate sensitivity is unlikely to be higher than 4.5 °C — there are few if any mainstream climate scientists who would disagree with this.
Not exact matches
Specifically, the draft report
says that «
equilibrium climate sensitivity» (ECS)-- eventual warming induced by a doubling of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, which takes hundreds of years to occur — is «extremely likely» to be above 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit), «likely» to be above 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.4 degrees Fahrenheit) and «very likely» to be below 6 degrees Celsius (10.8 Fahrenheit).
The Hansen et al study (2004) on target atmospheric CO2 and
climate sensitivity is quite clear on this topic:
equilibrium responses would double the GCM - based estimates, with very little to be
said about transient effects.
You can estimate how close to
equilibrium the
climate must be over such a time period assuming for instance that all the energy imbalance goes to melting ice: an imbalance of
say 0.1 W / m2 would over 2000 years melts / grows approx 18m of ice.
DDS 1: «The claim of reduced uncertainty for
equilibrium climate sensitivity is premature» This is what many
climate skeptics have been
saying for years and they have been called deniers for their efforts.
I estimate dT increased from 1980 to 2010 by about 0.4 K. Given
equilibrium climate sensitivity of 0.75 K / Wm2, the amount of forcing neutralised by
said dT is; 0.4 * 0.75 = 0.3 W / m2.
When I rephrased my question and gave some background to my reason for asking it, you went way outside your area of expertise and turned to stating your opinions (based on you ideological beliefs) about how much your tool
says the planet will warm by 2100 (4.4 C you
said based on 3.2 C
equilibrium climate sensitivity).
The current impasse in
climate science has arisen because AGW proponents
say that simply altering the radiative characteristics of constituent molecules within the atmosphere can result in a change in system
equilibrium temperature without any need for an increase in mass, gravity or insolation.
And that
says nothing about the fact that the
Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity is supposed to reflect the rise in temperature following an increase in atmospheric CO2, but what is estimated is the rise in temperature PRECEEDING an increase in atmospheric CO2.
It might be
said that the
climate system is always striving to approach
equilibrium.
The Lewis and Curry paper
said the best estimate for
equilibrium climate sensitivity — the change in global mean surface temperature at
equilibrium that is caused by a doubling of the atmospheric CO2 concentration — was 1.64 degrees.
The fact that the estimates based on the instrumental period tend to peak low has probably more to do with the fact that the
climate has not been in
equilibrium during that entire instrumental period and so therefore converting the sensitivity computed into an
equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS), which is what is being discussed, requires some guesswork (and, dare I
say it — modelling).
Say that CO2 doubles by about 2150 — how long before the
climate has changed 95 % of the way, at the surface and lower troposphere, from where it is now to its
equilibrium?
So are you also
saying that co2 has a limited effect on changing The
equilibrium from one
climate state to another or do you argue for something stronger, which would mean that you aren't a lukewarmer a all but a rather warmer version?
support for the exponential growth economy which underpins
climate change denialism is so hilarious — its not credible outside of the stoned mind of a proponent of the General
Equilibrium Theory and we will hit a brick wall one way or another in the next 10 to 20 years irrespective of what conventional economics
says.
You differentiate between the
climate conditions of the MWP and today, by
saying that of the MWP was different because it was at an «
equilibrium» state (while that of today is — in your opinion — not so).
The 20th and 21st centuries are jointly a transition between
equilibrium states, which is what we should be studying if we expect to be able to
say anything useful about the likely
climate profile of the coming century.
Where did I ever
say I was using «
climate sensitivity» to refer to the
equilibrium concept?
However, Curry has no publications or expertise in this area, and once
said that the global
equilibrium climate sensitivity could fall anywhere between 0 and 10 °C for doubled CO2.
Junkink: What you've
said is not quite right for while a particular value of the
equilibrium climate sensitivity possesses a probability density, under the IPCC's model, it does not possess a probability.
In view of what Leif Svalgaard
says about the smallness of solar variations I'm coming round to the opinion that virtually all
climate change that we observe is simply internal variability induced by the oceans and countered in the air all occurring around a relatively stable
equilibrium set by sun and oceans.
Hector — I didn't quite
say «easily solved», but the Transient
Climate Response (TCR) can serve as a useful approximation to equilibrium climate sensitivity, and moreover, may be of greater practical use, since it predicts climate responses over the course of decades rather than those that might eventuate one thousand years
Climate Response (TCR) can serve as a useful approximation to
equilibrium climate sensitivity, and moreover, may be of greater practical use, since it predicts climate responses over the course of decades rather than those that might eventuate one thousand years
climate sensitivity, and moreover, may be of greater practical use, since it predicts
climate responses over the course of decades rather than those that might eventuate one thousand years
climate responses over the course of decades rather than those that might eventuate one thousand years later.
Assuming a
climate equilibrium lobe (one), the GCMs would settle there to bring us to
say for instance 2016, and then the real part of the run would precede forward in time.
«From the corresponding paper: «our study
says nothing about the
equilibrium climate sensitivity; it only suggests that the
equilibrium greenhouse sensitivity is zero.»
The BBC Trust's latest report issued earlier this month
said the corporation would give less time to
climate change skeptics to create more of
equilibrium.
As you've
said, «Once you go way back in time, it's questionable whether the concept of sensitivity really applies (it needs an
equilibrium climate to exist, for starters).»
Judith
says «My take is that external forcing explains general variations on very long time scales, and
equilibrium differences in planetary
climates of relevance to comparative planetology.»
Some models have the
climate balanced, and some students of
climate say that one process or another tends to dynamic
equilibrium, but no theory supports these conjectures.
Knutti and Hegerl in the November, 2008 Natural Geoscience paper, The
equilibrium sensitivity of the Earth's temperature to radiation changes,
says various observations favor a
climate sensitivity value of about 3 degrees C, with a likely range of about 2 — 4.5 degrees C per the following graphic whereas the current IPCC uncertainty is range is between 1.5 - 4.5 degrees C.
I
say this seems at odds with your statement «The observed
climate is just the
equilibrium response to such variations with the positions of the air circulation systems and the speed of the hydrological cycle always adjusting to bring energy differentials above and below the troposphere back towards
equilibrium (Wilde's Law?).»
A footnote in the new AR5 SPM
says «16 No best estimate for
equilibrium climate sensitivity can now be given because of a lack of agreement on values across assessed lines of evidence and studies.»
Climate Science seem to deny any evidence of major far from
equilibrium effects citing that all that is being observed is as predicted, which other sources
say is not true.
Allegation 3: It is
said that we use graphs showing that global temperatures have been falling since 2001 to support what is called our «claim that the
climate models are wildly inaccurate», and that we have plotted predictions of
equilibrium temperature change rather than of the lesser transient temperature change that the IPCC actually predicts.
That would raise temperature by dT where k * -LRB-(290 + dT) ^ 4 - 290 ^ 4) = 0.2 which gives dT ~ = +0.07 deg C. That's only reached at
equilibrium, and as Nick says, ««Equilibrium Climate S
equilibrium, and as Nick
says, ««
Equilibrium Climate S
Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity.
Next, given that the Constructal Law
says that a flow system far from
equilibrium (like the
climate) has preferred states, how is the idea that the earth has a thermostat «not a theory»?