They say water baptism is essential for the believer and act as if baptism in holy spirit is not really essential but perhaps «nice to have,» or valuable in many ways.
Not exact matches
Latter - day Saints believe that
Baptism is essential for salvation (John 3:5 KJV: «Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I
say unto thee, Except a man be born of
water and of the Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of God.»).
Baptism is essential for salvation «Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I
say unto thee, Except a man be born of
water and of the Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of God.»
We are born again the way Jesus
said «born of
water and spirit» i.e. in
baptism.
Example number three: More than a few who deny the
water baptism is for the forgiveness of sins
say that Acts 2:38 has been mistranslated.
Here's the counter example: That young man was a known alcoholic, and comes to his
baptism drunk, and right after he emerges from the
waters takes a long swig from his 5th of Jack
saying: «I'm a Christian and God's loves me just the way I am.»
When people want be baptized «in the right way,» they argue about when
baptism should take place, how much
water is necessary, where the
baptism can occur, who can perform the
baptism, what actions should be performed during the
baptism, and what words need to be
said along with the
baptism.
Luke went out of his way to
say that both of them, Philip and the eunuch, went down into the
water for the
baptism.
Paul even thanked God that he himself had baptized none of the Corinthians save two, together with the household of Stephanas,
saying, «Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach»; (I Corinthians 1:13 - 17) in the Fourth Gospel John's
baptism in
water is explicitly subordinated to Christ's
baptism in the Holy Spirit; (John 1:33) and in the Epistle to the Hebrews «the teaching of
baptisms» is put among the rudimentary principles, to be accepted, indeed, but beyond which those need to go who are pressing on «unto perfection.»
The most popular way of explaining away Mark 16:16 is to
say that it does not
say, that he who has not been baptized will be condemned, therefore
water baptism is not essential to be saved.
Jesus was referring to
baptism by
water when he
said born again.
I guess I would go the opposite way, and
say that there is no historical evidence in the Scriptures that anyone believed that
water baptism helped accomplish justification.
As I wrote in a different comment, I guess I would go the opposite way, and
say that there is no historical evidence in the Scriptures that anyone believed that
water baptism helped accomplish justification.
Jeremy, I get what you are
saying but i don't think for a moment that those requesting
baptism from the church can't differentiate between the
water ceremonies of the Hindu, Jews or Muslims.
If it is good enough for Jesus to be baptised then its good enough reason for me to as well that was why i wanted to be baptised.He
says that it was necessary to fulfill all righteousness verse 15 in that sense he could have been talking of fulfilling the requirements of the law and in Jesus we fulfill the requirements of the law.I do nt believe that it is neccesary step to be saved as some of the gentile believers Peter spoke to received the holy spirit before they were baptised.Its a good picture of the old being washed away and we are raised up as a new person in Christ.When i was baptised in the holy spirit and spoke in tongues it was exactly like a
water baptism i felt the
water washing over me as it washed i just started speaking in tongues.brentnz
This is from some notes of mine «Paul could
say the Israelites were baptized into Moses even though they did not undergo literal
water baptism in the name of Moses.
Acts 2:38 Peter
said to them, «Repent and be baptized with Holy Spirit
baptism; because
water baptism is not a New Covenant requirement.
I noticed you
said, «But after this initial preaching of the Gospel and
water baptism followed by Spirit
baptism, the
baptism of the Spirit comes immediately upon a person believing in Jesus for eternal life, whether or not they get
water baptized» I must loving tell you this isn't what the bible teaches about
baptism.
The Bible clearly teaches
water baptism is necessary to be saved John 3:3 - 5 which Jesus says Water and Spirit Romans 6: 3 - 4 and many many more places you are right about some of the things baptism represents but please take a closer look at why all the conversions in Acts involve water bap
water baptism is necessary to be saved John 3:3 - 5 which Jesus
says Water and Spirit Romans 6: 3 - 4 and many many more places you are right about some of the things baptism represents but please take a closer look at why all the conversions in Acts involve water bap
Water and Spirit Romans 6: 3 - 4 and many many more places you are right about some of the things
baptism represents but please take a closer look at why all the conversions in Acts involve
water bap
water baptism.
Yet even when you
say that
water removes dirt from the flesh but not stain from the soul, the verse that you cite has Peter explicitly state that in the use of
baptism we are being delivered by
water.
Acts 2:38 Peter
said to them, «Repent, for the forgiveness of sins; but
water baptism is optional, because the thief on the cross was not baptized in
water.
I would
say this to those who would withhold the
water of
baptism, the joy of worship, or the bonds of marriage: You are less strong than the
water, which will flow around you, find its path, and gently erode each wall you try to erect.
At the Easter Vigil, the priest blesses the
water in the baptismal font, lowering the lighted Pascal candle into it three times while
saying: «May the power of the Holy Spirit, O Lord we pray, come down through your Son into the fullness of this font...» He then holds the candle in the
water while continuing ``... so that all who have been buried with Christ by
baptism and death may rise again to life with him.»
Baptism is administered by pouring
water over a person — or plunging him or her into
water —
saying at the same time: «I baptise you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.»
The point is that the heretics were quite prepared to
say that the Christ came into Jesus at the
Baptism, that is, with
water; but they were not prepared to
say that the Christ was in Jesus at his death on the Cross, that is, with the blood.