The reality was that it actually gave the correct answer for GISS climate
sensitivity over the temperature interval tested.
Not exact matches
If
temperatures do not increase, even more so should they fall, we will know that the case for AGW has been very much
over hyped and that Climate
Sensitivity is even lower than even the latest papers are suggesting such that the need to take any action is unlikely.
They then infer a higher
temperature sensitivity to changes in radiance
over this cycle and conclude that maybe 0.1 K
temperature increase would be possible due to the variation in solar radiance, or about 30 % (if you push it) of the total
temperature anomaly
over this period.
Indeed, the main quandary faced by climate scientists is how to estimate climate
sensitivity from the Little Ice Age or Medieval Warm Period, at all, given the relative small forcings
over the past 1000 years, and the substantial uncertainties in both the forcings and the
temperature changes.
Temperature during the winter as a whole have generally decreased
over the past two decades, likely as a result of climate change, but the
sensitivity of ozone loss to the exact timing of March warming events makes ozone depletion a much more variable quantity.
It is worth adding though, that
temperature trends
over the next few decades are more likely to be correlated to the TCR, rather than the equilibrium
sensitivity, so if one is interested in the near - term implications of this debate, the constraints on TCR are going to be more important.
They conclude, based on study of CMIP5 model output, that equilibrium climate
sensitivity (ECS) is not a fixed quantity — as
temperatures increase, the response is nonlinear, with a smaller effective ECS in the first decades of the experiments, increasing
over time.
Over time, excessive training results in decreased adrenergic receptor
sensitivity (making fat loss difficult and fat gain easier) and adrenal fatigue (as evidenced by fluctuating average daily body
temperatures, decreasing blood pressure, low energy, joint pain and muscle loss).
Narrowly scoped, the present situation is either strictly caused by solar variations (in which case I believe the «solar variation» crowd will inappropriately gain credibility
over the next 10 to 20 years as we work through the next below average solar cycle or two), or strictly caused by CO2 concentrations (in which case I believe the «CO2 concentrations» crowd will inappropriately lose credibility as the non-linear relationship (
sensitivity is based on doublings, not linear increases) between increased CO2 concentrations, and forecasts for below average solar cycles reduces the longer term upward trend in global
temperatures).
David@288, I'm just going with physics, and I don't see how you get enough negative feedback to get a negative
sensitivity AND get 33 degrees of warming
over Earth's blackbody
temperature.
Shaviv and Veizer (2003) published a paper in the journal GSA Today, where the authors claimed to establish a correlation between cosmic ray flux (CRF) and
temperature evolution
over hundreds of millions of years, concluding that climate
sensitivity to carbon dioxide was much smaller than currently accepted.
It is worth adding though, that
temperature trends
over the next few decades are more likely to be correlated to the TCR, rather than the equilibrium
sensitivity, so if one is interested in the near - term implications of this debate, the constraints on TCR are going to be more important.
Transient climate
sensitivity: The global mean surface - air
temperature achieved when atmospheric CO2 concentrations achieve a doubling
over pre-industrial CO2 levels increasing at the assumed rate of one percent per year, compounded.
Heat capacity that is «used»
over a longer period of time (penetration of
temperature change through the depths of the ocean and up to regions of upwelling) would leave a more persistent residual imbalance, but the effect would only just stall the full change to equilibrium climate, not change the long term equilibrium
sensitivity.)
Indeed, the main quandary faced by climate scientists is how to estimate climate
sensitivity from the Little Ice Age or Medieval Warm Period, at all, given the relative small forcings
over the past 1000 years, and the substantial uncertainties in both the forcings and the
temperature changes.
I sincerely hope that you are not serious in maintaining the following: The peak warming is linearly proportional to the cumulative carbon emitted It doesn't matter much how rapidly the carbon is emitted The warming you get when you stop emitting carbon is what you are stuck with for the next thousand years The climate recovers only slightly
over the next ten thousand years At the mid-range of IPCC climate
sensitivity, a trillion tonnes cumulative carbon gives you about 2C global mean warming above the pre-industrial
temperature.
Second, the relationship we are seeing in the ice cores is made up of two independent factors: the
sensitivity of the CO2 to
temperature over the ice age cycle — roughly ~ 100 ppmv / 4ºC or ~ 25 ppmv / ºC — and the
sensitivity of the climate to CO2, which we'd like to know.
Over very long time periods such that the carbon cycle is in equilibrium with the climate, one gets a sensitivity to global temperature of about 20 ppm CO2 / deg C, or 75 ppb CH4 / deg C. On shorter timescales, the sensitivity for CO2 must be less (since there is no time for the deep ocean to come into balance), and variations over the last 1000 years or so (which are less than 10 ppm), indicate that even if Moberg is correct, the maximum sensitivity is around 15 ppm CO2 / deg C. CH4 reacts faster, but even for short term excursions (such as the 8.2 kyr event) has a similar sensitiv
Over very long time periods such that the carbon cycle is in equilibrium with the climate, one gets a
sensitivity to global
temperature of about 20 ppm CO2 / deg C, or 75 ppb CH4 / deg C. On shorter timescales, the
sensitivity for CO2 must be less (since there is no time for the deep ocean to come into balance), and variations
over the last 1000 years or so (which are less than 10 ppm), indicate that even if Moberg is correct, the maximum sensitivity is around 15 ppm CO2 / deg C. CH4 reacts faster, but even for short term excursions (such as the 8.2 kyr event) has a similar sensitiv
over the last 1000 years or so (which are less than 10 ppm), indicate that even if Moberg is correct, the maximum
sensitivity is around 15 ppm CO2 / deg C. CH4 reacts faster, but even for short term excursions (such as the 8.2 kyr event) has a similar
sensitivity.
In short, whatever the initial climate
sensitivity is to a doubling of CO2, I just can't buy off on this positive feedback loop idea that says that
temperatures are going to spin out of control once we pass
over some «tipping point» that only seems to exists in some scientist's theoretical model.
Rather than engaging in endlessly nitpicking, unproductive arguments
over unknowns such as the logarithmic exponent describing the almost nonexistent / nonexistent effect of carbon dioxide on
temperature, and the «estimate» of CO2
sensitivity, let's look at empirical evidence, and the big picture: CO2 is rising, and the planet's
temperature is falling.
The climate
sensitivity is defined as the equilibrated change in global mean surface air
temperature (SAT) for a given change in radiative forcing and has been a major focus of climate research
over the last three decades.
As far as i was aware the climate
sensitivity issue still remains, as too do the questions
over the validity of the
temperature records (raising the distinct possibility that the change you are trying to detect is smaller than the error limits themselves) and the modelling parameters.
Steve Mosher, why should anyone in the industry employ Hockey Team member or likewise for their arctic endeavours, with the esoteric Hockey Stick shattered,
sensitivity estimations currently falling apart,
temperatures refusing to rise for
over a decade and Watts / Evans about to prove that UHI in the US caused exaggerated trends by a factor of 2 or 3?
Everyone else who follows the science, yourself included surely, has to accept that climate
sensitivity estimates almost certainly show CO2 to be the dominant driver of global
temperature over the next 50 years.
@ - MSchopp» why should anyone in the industry employ Hockey Team member or likewise for their arctic endeavours, with the esoteric Hockey Stick shattered,
sensitivity estimations currently falling apart,
temperatures refusing to rise for
over a decade.....»
If I understood Armour's paper correctly, he claimed that all feed - backs were close to linear in response to
temperature over time, but that different regional warming rates (specifically, slow warming at high latitudes) could make the feed - backs and
sensitivity appear to increase with time.
I note that 1) they can't easily go back and re-run all the climate model simulations with more accurate forcings, and 2) if they did, the climate models would be biased much too high relative to measured
temperatures over the last decade, effectively proving that the modeled climate
sensitivities are too high.
The most popular observationally - constrained method of estimating climate
sensitivity involves comparing data whose relation to S is too complex to permit direct estimation, such as
temperatures over a spatio - temporal grid, with simulations thereof by a simplified climate model that has adjustable parameters for setting S and other key climate properties.
This was my mental equation dF = dH / dt + lambda * dT where dF is the forcing change
over a given period (1955 - 2010), dH / dt is the rate of change of ocean heat content, and dT is the surface
temperature change in the same period, with lambda being the equilibrium
sensitivity parameter, so the last term is the Planck response to balance the forcing in the absence of ocean storage changes.
Meaning, surface
temperatures do not represent total heat of the entire atmosphere well, in this case the heat was really above, this drives surface
temperature sensitivity quite wild
over a longer time period.
He takes it as a proven given that
temperature sensitivity to CO2 will be high,
over ten degrees F for the likely CO2 increases we will see in the next century, which puts his «proven» climate
sensitivity number higher than the range even in the last IPCC report.
Any lab data on
sensitivity to «mean»
temperature change of 0.5 deg C
over a decade while the environment is oscillating
over a typical
temperature range that the coral would see in the sea?
I want to discuss the recent Kaufman study which purports to reconcile flat
temperatures over the last 10 - 12 years with high -
sensitivity warming forecasts.
Now that I look I see it says that with 3.2
sensitivity the
temperature should only rise 4.4 C
over current
temperatures.
Therefore, even under this ultra-conservative unrealistic low climate
sensitivity scenario, the increase in atmospheric CO2
over the past 150 years would account for
over half of the observed 0.8 °C increase in surface
temperature.
So if the current
temperature stays at 1.2 C
over the next 40 years, either
sensitivity will get reduced in half or scientists will treat the climate as stable and move on to different topics, such as looking for alternatives to non-renewable fuels.
However the longer the pause in
temperature continues the lower will fall climate
sensitivity and If
temperatures actually were to fall
over the next decade then the whole edifice collapses anyway.
CO2 has a strong
sensitivity to
temperature and this is enhanced
over continents by precipitation and therefore the average level of moisture in soil.
If you know a better practical method of determining
sensitivity than observation of the shape of the
temperature vs CO2 curve
over more than 50 years, please let me know.
If there has been only a fairly small change in ocean heat flux
over the last century and the ratio of global increase in surface
temperature to increase in forcing is low (as the evidence certainly suggests), then it follows that climate
sensitivity is low — perhaps of the order of 1.5 C.
C: increase in atmospheric CO2 from pre-industrial to present is anthropogenic (D / A) S: best guess for likely climate
sensitivity (NUM) s: 2 - sigma range of S (NUM) a: ocean acidification will be a problem (D / A) L: expected sea level rise by 2100 in cm (all contributions)(NUM) B: climate change will be beneficial (D / A) R: CO2 emissions need to be reduced drastically by 2050 (D / A) T: technical advances will take care of any problems (D / A) r: the 20th century global
temperature record is reliable (D / A) H:
over the last 1000 years global
temperature was hockey stick shaped (D / A) D: data has been intentionally distorted by scientist to support the idea of anthropogenic climate change (D / A) g: the CRU - mails are important for the science (D / A) G: the CRU - mails are important otherwise (D / A)
So the olr change, coupled to
temperature and cloud cover
over the last 3 years should give the data to estimate the climate
sensitivity???
2) CAGW movement type models never reconstruct any lengthy past history accurately without creative and unique adjustment of aerosol values used as a fudge factor; that is why models of widely varying
sensitivities supposedly all accurately reconstruct the past (different made - up assumed historical values used for each) but fail in future prediction, like they didn't predict how global average
temperatures have been flat to declining
over the past 15 years.
A prominent new example is a paper by [Shaviv and Veizer, 2003], which claims that fluctuations in cosmic ray flux reaching the Earth can explain 66 % of the
temperature variance
over the past 520 million years (520 m.y.), and that the
sensitivity of climate to a doubling of CO2 is smaller than previously estimated.
Over geological time scales, the lack of correlation between CO2 and
temperature places a clear upper limit of a 1.5 °C per CO2 doubling
sensitivity.
Sensitivity equals dT / dF is only valid for an absolute temperature and absolute forcing over a small range of change and since the current «state of the artistry» «surface temperature average» requires using anomaly from very cold locations with very little energy per degree of anomaly, what «surface» is averaged impacts the estimate of «sensitiv
Sensitivity equals dT / dF is only valid for an absolute
temperature and absolute forcing
over a small range of change and since the current «state of the artistry» «surface
temperature average» requires using anomaly from very cold locations with very little energy per degree of anomaly, what «surface» is averaged impacts the estimate of «
sensitivitysensitivity».
That the climate models are remarkably close to the observed
temperature trend
over the recent decade, taking into consideration all relevant factors, is an explicit demonstration that we can get this temporary surface
temperature slowdown even when the Earth's climate
sensitivity is around 3 °C per doubling of CO2.
As I wrote upthread, comparing CO2 alone to
temperature over 750 million years now for these plots does not give us nearly a complete enough picture to draw any climate
sensitivity on the basis of linear regression coefficients alone.
Does that 3 deg C «climate
sensitivity» persist all
over the earth's surface; regardless of what the surface
temperature actually is?
A paper published back in 1998 and co-authored by Richard Tol and titled: A BAYESIAN STATISTICAL ANALYSIS OF THE ENHANCED GREENHOUSE EFFECT dealt with climate
sensitivity, even though the main purpose of the paper was to demonstrate: «This paper demonstrates that there is a robust statistical relationship between the records of the global mean surface air
temperature and the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide
over the period 1870 — 1991.»