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Not exact matches
They already know the truth, and so view their job
as making a case against any
arguments from
skeptics and doubters.
«The problem with [the
skeptics»]
argument is that it's
as if you can cherry - pick the CO2 fertilization effect from the overall effect of adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere,» Myers says.
As a classic indicator of the modern climate skeptic, he cited the IPCC's conclusions as authority for the points that he believed supported his arguments, but dismissed the IPCC's conclusions for points that did not support his argument
As a classic indicator of the modern climate
skeptic, he cited the IPCC's conclusions
as authority for the points that he believed supported his arguments, but dismissed the IPCC's conclusions for points that did not support his argument
as authority for the points that he believed supported his
arguments, but dismissed the IPCC's conclusions for points that did not support his
arguments.
RE: # 7 The
argument is circular
as the op - ed,
skeptics, and Crichton have had their errors exposed to no avail.
And
as you will know, another standard
skeptics argument.
As a classic indicator of the modern climate skeptic, he cited the IPCC's conclusions as authority for the points that he believed supported his arguments, but dismissed the IPCC's conclusions for points that did not support his argument
As a classic indicator of the modern climate
skeptic, he cited the IPCC's conclusions
as authority for the points that he believed supported his arguments, but dismissed the IPCC's conclusions for points that did not support his argument
as authority for the points that he believed supported his
arguments, but dismissed the IPCC's conclusions for points that did not support his
arguments.
Now,
as Leslie Kaufman reports in The Times, there appears to be some overlap emerging between those pressing for equal time for non-evolutionary explanations for life's diversity and those demanding equal time for
skeptics»
arguments about the causes and significance of climate change.
In fact, I was by default not doubting the global warming classic interpretation till I started reading multiple sources on the net, and
as my self - confession
as a recent
skeptic shows, the
argument from the denialist camp are not only convincing to petrol gulping rednecks, but also to a very scientifically minded, atheist european (although, I must admit, I like motor sports; — RRB --RRB-.
The fact that hurricane events are relatively rare leads to a limitation in the amount of data available — fewer events, and that's why the «
skeptics» have to rely on statistical rather then mechanical
arguments (notice also that the media seems to avoid any mention of the fact that hurricanes operate
as «heat engines»).
and
as my self - confession
as a recent
skeptic shows, the
argument from the denialist camp are not only convincing to petrol gulping rednecks, but also to a very scientifically minded, atheist european (although, I must admit, I like motor sports; — RRB --RRB-.
In a few years,
as we get to understand this more,
skeptics will move on (just like they dropped
arguments about the hockey stick and about the surface station record) to their next reason not to believe climate science.
Your list of credible global warming
skeptics ends the
argument as far
as I'm concerned: a politician (Klaus), an industry propagandist (Moore), and a businessman (Coleman).
What lags what might seem like a good debate to have and one that has to be answered to
as the
skeptics for good scientists to set up sites like this to argue the cause but come on the evidence is clear, it is not the SUN that has caused the current warming and we have a perfectly robust
argument for stating that it is greenhouse gases (all of which has increased).
This IMO makes it a bit weaker
as a
argument when presented to a layman / «
skeptic» even if it does have a sound scientific methodology behind it.
(This is an invalid
argument of a type known
as the straw man: see The
Skeptics Guide.)
Robert, you are correct that there are many kinds of
skeptics, specifically
as many
as there are steps in the AGW
argument, which is a lot.
This appears so obvious!?!! But its
as though the
skeptics have not really used this gold mine of
arguments fully?
All skeptical
arguments are OK,
as long
as they are TRUE
skeptics, not the fake
skeptics that exists on a sliding scale such
as Myr *.
Myr --'s posts are
arguments that the greenhouse effect doesn't exists, not sure why this would be regarded
as inconvenient to
skeptics
And then, like many «
skeptics,» she turns around and hides behind the «
skeptics» aren't monolithic
argument, or «
skeptics» aren't subject to groupthink
arguments, even
as she downplays the % of «
skeptics» who flat out reject that there's any GHG effect or who make
arguments that aren't logically consistent with the protestation that «we don't doubt that the climate is warming or that ACO2 contributes to that warming, we only question the magnitude of the contribution.»
If other climate bloggers are interested in allowing their existing articles to be used
as advanced rebuttals to
skeptic arguments, please contact me - I'd love to talk with you!
As the description says, many of the posts take to task the published
arguments of global warming
skeptics and these rebuttals help to sharpen one's climate science reasoning and logic.
This means there are now 3 levels of rebuttals addressing the
skeptic argument «humans aren't causing global warming»: If other climate bloggers are interested in allowing their existing articles to be used
as advanced rebuttals to
skeptic arguments, please contact me.
I don't see the comment by MT
as you quoted
as being a «straw man»
argument — you acknowleged yourself that a not inconsiderable number of the «
skeptics» do believe that.
Note too Wigley's quote: Legates's
arguments on solar variability are «standard
skeptic crap» that has been discredited... I am the only scientist ever to have his research characterized
as «crap» in Science... a badge I wear with honor.
This did the
skeptic community no favors
as their
arguments could easily be dismissed.
I have a history with Andy Revkin's DotEarth, which is prone to provide fuel for sloppy thinking about weather and climate,
as well
as a hangout for the worst kind of clever - looking phony
skeptic arguments.
The
skeptics don't have to win the
argument, they just have to stay in the game, keep things stirred up and make sure the politicians don't pass any laws that have dangerous climate change
as a premise.
The most bizarre aspect of the
arguments of Climate
Skeptics (
as well
as the more strident pro-nuclear advocates) is their constant insistence that renewable energy technology can never, ever, provide an economic source of large - scale power.
«It is my experience which guides my firm support of the proposition that
skeptics and those who have the courage to support them are actually helpful in getting the science right... They do not,
as some improperly suggest, «obfuscate» the issue: They assist in clarifying it by challenging weaknesses in the «consensus»
argument, and they compel necessary corrections,» he said.
Jan suggested having a one - line, short sentence
as a response to each
skeptic argument.
Along the same lines, I do not find credible
arguments that any product of peer review is therefore inherently corrupted by tribalism — any more than I feel that any «skeptical» analysis in the «skeptical» blogosphere is inherently flawed due to tribalism among «
skeptics»
as a group.
Nevertheless, they are relevant to Powell's claims that what he perceives
as a conspiracy of
skeptics are without credentials,
arguments, or objectivity, and that his lists represent all scientists.
He accuses
skeptics of peddling «straw man
arguments,» such
as that «the earth's climate always changes; it's been warmer in the past.»
Or is it mainly intended
as a one - stop source of pro - AGW / ACC info (and rebuttals of
skeptic arguments) for reporters and other media types?
Participants broke up into pairs with one playing the contrarian, given a
skeptic argument, and the other rebutting the
skeptic argument with the Skeptical Science paragraphs
as source material (I have to confess it would've been fun getting to be the contrarian).
By misrepresenting this, Jeff and others are attempting to frame the
argument in such a way
as to claim that
skeptics are denying any influence of CO2 whatever.
Briffa does seem reasonable, but Trenbarth seems quite objective and fair and unlike the others, acknowledges the weaknesses in their data and theories,
as well
as admits to the validity of
skeptics arguments.
What I know is that actively engaged online «
skeptics» want to argue that there is no strong prevalence of agreement among climate science experts that continued and increasing aC02 emissions pose a potential threat... but they know that there is such a consensus... so in the process of making that
argument that there is «no consensus» they transform the meaning of «consensus» to be equivalent to «CAGW is settled science» and
as such can find validation in arguing that there is no «consensus.»
I'm close to where you are pokerguy but I think it's a false narrative to try to hold
skeptics, regardless of how inflamed their politics, to be judged in the same fashion
as the IPCC who have the burden to actually «prove» the
argument that is designed to support a massive real world policy like cap and trade.
So, let's see, when we (those defending the AGW theory) note that, of the small minority of scientists on the
skeptic side making discredited
arguments, many if not most seem to have quite direct connections to right - wing or libertarian organizations like the Cato Institute or the George C. Marshall Fund or with the fossil fuel (especially coal) industry, we are derided
as engaging in «ad hominem» attacks and so forth.
On AGW skeptical blogs, however, just
as is the case on conspiracy theory blogs of any kind (e.g. vaccination, moon landing, 9/11), it seems like there is a tacit agreement between fellow
skeptics, and also the blog host, never to point out that an idea is flat out wrong or an
argument flat out illogical so long
as it purports to refute the «official» account.
The
argument to «learn what else drives climate» is a complete red herring,
as if scientists are not already figuring out everything they can (which in turn is then being repeatedly re shaped to use to try to refute Climate Change by «
skeptic» websites,
as is everything), and is just used
as another false refutation of, or confusion on, the basic assessment and risk range that the at this point fairly well known and well substantiated general concept of Climate Change represents.
Ehm, you really think you are somehow strengthening the
skeptic argument with your posts and comments by replying
as you routinely do?
Most
skeptics are well aware that climate catastrophists themselves have strong financial incentives to continue to declare the sky is falling, but we don't rely on this fact
as 100 % or even 10 % of our «scientific»
argument.
To the extent AGW advocates attempt to mis - characterize the
arguments of Meyer, and other such
skeptics,
as being directed at classical CO2 theory (when it is clearly not), I'm afraid that very much does call their own credibility into question, however!
Funny, I argue about CS quite often with AGW
skeptics, and the only time I ever use any
argument related to CS anything above 3C is to say that, Lindzen's estimates of < 1C is just
as unlikely
as the estimates that are above 4.5 C. Outside of that, I say the IPCC central figures are probably about close to reality.
But: (1) often, I see «
skeptics» building straw men out of valid
arguments that expertise should not be dismissed out of hand, and (2) I often see selective reasoning from «
skeptics» where they denounce «realist»
arguments as appealing to authority when they then turn right around and appeal to their own authorities.
«In a few years,
as we get to understand this more, [referring to ocean variability and the pause]
skeptics will move on (just like they dropped
arguments about the hockey stick and surface station record) to their next reason not to believe climate science.»