In one of my other recent articles, I describe how the PBS NewsHour's 1996 - to - present bias in its global warming discussion segments presents only four instances where any semblance of
skeptic science points were mentioned out of more than 355 on - air broadcast discussions (plus a few online pages directly relating to some of those segments).
Not exact matches
Wordy as the letter is, it could be boiled down much like Al Gore's 2006 movie or the collective lot of the entire catastrophic man - caused global warming into a 3 - part talking
point: «the
science is settled» /
skeptics are industry - funded & orchestrated liars» / «reporters may ignore
skeptics because of the prior two reasons.»
Harris cites the work of PhD - level climate scientists and atmospheric physicists who've studied global warming for decades, and none of these
skeptics deny climate
science in any general sense of the word — that's another unsupportable talking
point from believers of catastrophic man - caused global warming.
Neither Gelbspan nor anyone repeating his accusation ever proved the money trail led to an industry directive to lie about global warming
science; none of them have proved
skeptic climate scientists were instructed to mimic tobacco industry tactics; journalists have demonstrably not offered overall fair balance in to
skeptic climate scientists; the «wedge» being driven is one arguably pounded by enviro - activists who push the «
skeptics don't deserve fair media balance» talking
point; and Gelbspan was not the first one to bring up this talking
point.
My elemental objective is to show how extensive time exclusively devoted to seeing where the accusation came from and whether it has any evidence to back it up reveals a disturbing pattern: Inconsistent narratives that don't line up right; no hard evidence is ever presented proving such
skeptics are in an orchestrated arrangement where they are paid industry money in exchange for fabricating false
science assessments; and an overall set of talking
points which is ultimately traceable to the clique of people surrounding Ross Gelbspan.
Skeptics do not argue the
science so much as
point out that the
science does not support the popular conclusions.
They instead parse the message and find a way to blame the
skeptics who have been correctly
pointing that the
science is not well understood and that there has been no significant warming in over ten years.
There are also
skeptics insisting that the issue is ONLY about the state of the
science — whether AGW is real — but on this
point I disagree.
One wonders how he justifies this, given the evolution of views of Phillip Abelson, former editor, from full blown
skeptic to a view close to that of Kennedy http://tinyurl.com/9zegw As I
pointed out,
Science also gives short shrift to quantum mechanics deniers.
The
point would seem to be that
skeptics distrust all government, publicly funded
science because they believe the peer review system has been corrupted and incestuous — after all, it's not a free market system — and the «ClimateGate» brouhaha just served as a confirmation to them of this deeper distrust.
This new objectively - based climate
science undercuts the climate alarmist «consensus,» but also a few
points often made by some climate
skeptics.
Typical of fake
skeptics and illiterates to think that you can score linguistic
points in
science
«It stretches the
science to the
point of breaking and provides
skeptics with fuel.
It has already been
pointed out that if he in the same article speaks about something like
skeptics in such an incredibly ignorant fashion, why should his
science be any less so?
Skeptic climate scientists and organizations associating with them
point straight to highly detailed
science - based assessments when they criticize the idea of man - caused global warming, an action that saints and axe murderers can do.
As to «ambush site» — you can certainly disagree with the conclusions reached on
skeptic science; the moderators do have their own
points of view (as do Jo and Watt — should I avoid them and their sites?!).
The «
skeptics» get their debate
points either way — which just goes to show that they don't understand
science at all.
You seem to want
skeptics to prove that something is correct, whereas we mostly
point out limitations in the
science: showing that the IPCC / CAGW view does not rest on a solid base.
It was an October 2012 public TV program that simply could not expand out of the 3 -
point mantra that the man - caused global warming issue always boils down to: «the
science is settled» / «
skeptics are industry - corrupted» / «reporters may ignore
skeptic material because of
points 1 & 2».
I'd planned to also mention how our pro-global warming friends must view
skeptic scientists and
skeptic organizations as a very annoying irritation, but they probably fear the general public the most, over the looming potential of the public losing faith in talking
points about «settled
science» and «corrupt
skeptic climate scientists» that become too preposterous to accept.
Basic
point being, these are people collectively operate in the realm of «climate change sociology» under the unsupportable premise that man - caused global warming is settled
science, thus it is up to them to explain to the rest of us what's wrong with the mindset of
skeptic climate scientists....
Skeptics don't like to say any science is «settled» but as Joshua pointed out, they often say «most skeptics would agree...» which implies that some things are settled in climate science, and there is probably about half a dozen of these things that they would agree with the mainstrea
Skeptics don't like to say any
science is «settled» but as Joshua
pointed out, they often say «most
skeptics would agree...» which implies that some things are settled in climate science, and there is probably about half a dozen of these things that they would agree with the mainstrea
skeptics would agree...» which implies that some things are settled in climate
science, and there is probably about half a dozen of these things that they would agree with the mainstream about.
But that's just the
science end of the issue, which I leave to the
skeptic climate scientists to
point out.
In my previous blog post, I showed a window into the world of far - left environmentalist reasoning, using the exact illustration of how Desmogblog co-founder James Hoggan immediately believed Ross Gelbspan's «the
science is settled /
skeptic scientists are industry - corrupted shills» core talking
point as literally true upon first reading it, never reading alternative
science assessments or doing the most basic fact - checking to see if Gelbspan's accusation was true.
The ultimate psychological projection here might be that when enviro - activists say the fossil fuel industry engaged in racketeering when it conspired with
skeptics to misinform the public about the certainty of catastrophic man - caused global warming, this is instead a giant arrow
pointing to enviro - activists doing all the racketeering on misinforming the public about settled global warming
science and industry - corrupted
skeptics.
In the M&N thread http://www.culturalcognition.net/blog/2013/4/12/a-scholarly-rejoinder-to-the-economist-article.html when it has been
pointed out just what the evidence says, it is not just «
skeptics» but «believers» as well that misconstrue the
science.
My
point is that they are more respected by «
skeptics» because of their take on the
science, and not based on the criteria you listed (although I think they are criteria that everyone should aspire to).
The standard
skeptic's approach is to look at one
point at the time and to claim that the
science doesn't know more than one can learn by that approach.
cerescokid, you can put it up against the Paltridge post, where Paltridge goes through all the
skeptic talking
points but gives no solid
science, and this program showing the scientists doing the work and explaining the physical basis.
Jim D: cerescokid, you can put it up against the Paltridge post, where Paltridge goes through all the
skeptic talking
points but gives no solid
science,
For all the length of this student's paper, it could just have easily been distilled to a single sentence: «The
science of man - caused global warming is settled,
skeptic climate scientists are paid industry money to lie about it being not settled, and everybody may ignore those
skeptics because of those first two
points.»
In fact, many
skeptics believe that the continued positive reception of catastrophic global warming theory is a function of the general scientific illiteracy of Americans and
points to a need for more and better
science education (see here for an overview of the climate debate that does not once use the ad hominem words «myth», «scam» or «lie»).
I did not say that Abelson was necessarily a global warming
skeptic, though many web sites seem anxious to debunk the idea (or at least so I found out in the last couple of days), my
point was that under his editorship
Science was open to publishing articles whose findings were not supportive of the theory.
What is debated in the warmist /
skeptic debate is level of sensitivity, tipping
points and the «settled
science of: Armageddon soon if business as usual».
assuming what you say about
skeptics changing topic as you describe is accurate, and at this
point I do we are talking about data that is less than 200 years old, out of which extraordinary claims are made as to how that data relates to distant past and future trends tough sell assuming that all adjustments to the data are scientifically sound, It is very difficult for me to believe that measurements that have gone through so many iterations can be trusted to.0 and.00 in most other
sciences, I doubt they would tough sell (the photo of the thermometer is downright funny) in terms of goal post moving I observe predicted heat being re-branded as «missing» a prediction of no snow re-branded as more snow a warming world re-branded to a «warm, cold, we don't know what to expect» world topped off with suggestions that one who thinks the above has some sort of psychological disorder extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence especially when you are teaching children that their world is endangered
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On the one hand, he says that any reasonable person should've been skeptical two years ago due to valid
points raised by
skeptics (despite these
points having been dealt with by mainstream climate
science for * years *).
Looking at the «bore hole», it seems to contain mostly comments from
skeptics, especially when they
point out glaring inconsistencies with CAGW «
science» that can not otherwise be addressed without capitulating or looking foolish.
Still, the
science is out there for
skeptics to access if they are interested in knowledge, not
point - scoring.
Here is a start:
skeptics should criticize the IPCC,
skeptics should ask for access to data and analytical disclosures,
skeptics should not criticize the
science with economic arguments,
skeptics should not put words into the mouths of those they criticize,
skeptics should define some goalposts so that progress can be understood from their
point of view,
skeptics should use the peer - reviewed literature....
We can argue the
points of climate change
science for 400 posts but what about morality and responsibility — are they words in the
skeptics vocabulary?
The center's founder - director, Jerry Taylor, was an energy policy analyst at the Cato Institute, where he helped forge Cato's unflinching climate denialism («I used to write
skeptic talking
points for a living,» he said in an April 2017 interview) until an immersion in climate
science led him to a change of heart and a 180 - degree turnaround on climate.
I'll just say that I've seen denialists
pointing at some of this articles in The Guardian as a proof that climate
science is under question (because EVEN The Guardian has now concerns) and I think people who don't pay much attention to it have actually been misled by the headlines and the comments from
skeptics.
During the deposition process of Dr Singer (full text here), Lancaster acted as his own attorney, posing most of his questions on the Revelle - Singer - Starr paper and related
science points, but closed with questions about
skeptic climate scientists and Western Fuels» funding of them.
What I obviously
point out time and again is that there is no evidence proving
skeptic climate scientists knew catastrophic man - caused global warming was settled
science but were corrupted by giant wads of illicit cash which caused them to spew industry - created / directed lies.