The findings reinforce suggestions that strong positive ice —
temperature feedbacks have emerged in the Arctic15, increasing the chances of further rapid warming and sea ice loss, and will probably affect polar ecosystems, ice - sheet mass balance and human activities in the Arctic...» *** This is the heart of polar amplification and has very little to do with your stated defintion of amplifying the effects of warming going on at lower latitudes.
An important one is additional poleward energy transport, but contributions from local high - latitude water vapour, cloud and
temperature feedbacks have also been found.
If so, then the instability inherent in the IPCC's high - end values for the principal
temperature feedbacks has not occurred in reality, implying that the high - end estimates, and by implication the central estimates, for the magnitude of individual temperature feedbacks may be substantial exaggerations.
Some 20
temperature feedbacks have been described, though none can be directly measured.
Not exact matches
If the exercise work rate is free to vary, then experimental interventions such as changes in ambient
temperature, oxygen content of the inspired air, energy substrate availability or the provision of incorrect distance
feedback all alter the power output (pacing strategy), whereas the rate of increase in RPE
has been found to be similar between conditions.13 20 21 24 — 26
The real learning comes in once you
have returned to work or school and you get
feedback from your caregivers about how your baby is doing with the bottle, the volume, the
temperature, etc..
«Our results show that Earth
has had a moderate
temperature through virtually all of its history, and that is attributable to weathering
feedbacks — they do a good job at maintaining a habitable climate,» said first author Joshua Krissansen - Totton, a UW doctoral student in Earth and space sciences.
The climate sensitivity classically defined is the response of global mean
temperature to a forcing once all the «fast
feedbacks»
have occurred (atmospheric
temperatures, clouds, water vapour, winds, snow, sea ice etc.), but before any of the «slow»
feedbacks have kicked in (ice sheets, vegetation, carbon cycle etc.).
The corresponding first order fractional change in
temperature (neglecting any
feedbacks)
would be about 0.01 %, or about 0.03 K at Earth.
The change in
temperature you
'd need to balance a forcing of 4 W / m2 with no
feedbacks is around 1.2 ºC and the difference between that and the real sensitivity (around 3 ºC) is a measure of how strong the net
feedbacks are.
When the CLIMAP data proved to be wrong, and was replaced by more reliable estimates showing a substantial tropical surface
temperature drop, Lindzen
had to abandon his then - current model and move on to other forms of mischief (first the «cumulus drying» negative water vapor
feedback mechanism, since abandoned, and now the «Iris» effect cloud
feedback mechanism).
If you
have a normal thermostat, for example, the heater goes on when the
temperature falls and turns off as it rises («negative
feedback», a feature which tends to keep things stable.)
i.e. water vapour
would have to go down as
temperature rises, low clouds
would have to be incredibly sensitive, high clouds not sensitive at all — and forget the ice - albedo
feedback!
In the other direction, at higher
temperatures there is expected to be carbon - cycle
feedbacks, that will amplify the warming, so then the climate sensitivty
would be higher.
If there were a bad design flaw in a thermostat, such that
temperatures over 100 F turned the furnace on, that room's climate
would have a tipping point ~ 100 F and the room
would get hard to cool whenever
temperatures rose over that («positive
feedback,» at least for awhile.)
So here's an attempt: When
temperatures change because of an orbital forcing, you
've got a strong CO2
feedback because the CO2 in the atmosphere was in equilibrium with the CO2 in the oceans before
temperatures changed.
Spencer and Braswell (2010) used middle tropospheric
temperature anomalies and although they did not consider any time lag they may
have observed some
feedback processes with negligible time lag considering that the tropospheric
temperature is better correlated to the radiative flux than the surface air 15
temperature.
And that additional water vapour
would in turn cause further warming - this being a positive
feedback, in which carbon dioxide acts as a direct regulator of
temperature, and is then joined in that role by more water vapour as
temperatures increase.
You
have to look at how the added ghgs — both CO2 and H2O respond to the altered IR spectrum and how all of the
feedbacks and
temperature evolve as the system moves again toward equilibrium.
[Response: The concept of water vapor
feedback (which goes back to Arrhenius, and was fully consolidated in the 1960's by Manabe and co-workers)
has always stated that the water vapor was determined by
temperature.
Slow
feedbacks have little effect on the immediate planetary energy balance, instead coming into play in response to
temperature change.
The video links also offer some useful links to science and
temperature measurement, Please let me
have feedback.
Some buttons
have detents to give
feedback, and there are mechanical controls for
temperature, volume and tuning, yet problems persist — some inherent, some solvable.
[15] Through study of Pacific Ocean sediments, other researchers
have shown that the transition from warm Eocene ocean
temperatures to cool Oligocene ocean
temperatures took only 300,000 years, [11] which strongly implies that
feedbacks and factors other than the ACC were integral to the rapid cooling.
This suggest to me that the stable / cooling
temperatures of the 1950s to 70s could
have been a bow wave of resistance (negative
feedbacks) and we are now on a stable warming ramp.
[1] CO2 absorbs IR, is the main GHG, human emissions are increasing its concentration in the atmosphere, raising
temperatures globally; the second GHG, water vapor, exists in equilibrium with water / ice,
would precipitate out if not for the CO2, so acts as a
feedback; since the oceans cover so much of the planet, water is a large positive
feedback; melting snow and ice as the atmosphere warms decreases albedo, another positive
feedback, biased toward the poles, which gives larger polar warming than the global average; decreasing the
temperature gradient from the equator to the poles is reducing the driving forces for the jetstream; the jetstream's meanders are increasing in amplitude and slowing, just like the lower Missippi River where its driving gradient decreases; the larger slower meanders increase the amplitude and duration of blocking highs, increasing drought and extreme
temperatures — and 30,000 + Europeans and 5,000 plus Russians die, and the US corn crop, Russian wheat crop, and Aussie wildland fire protection fails — or extreme rainfall floods the US, France, Pakistan, Thailand (driving up prices for disk drives — hows that for unexpected adverse impacts from AGW?)
The climate sensitivity classically defined is the response of global mean
temperature to a forcing once all the «fast
feedbacks»
have occurred (atmospheric
temperatures, clouds, water vapour, winds, snow, sea ice etc.), but before any of the «slow»
feedbacks have kicked in (ice sheets, vegetation, carbon cycle etc.).
I wonder what
would happen if the same approach was applied to other climate metrics, like sea surface
temperature, water vapor
feedback strength, and precipitation - evaporation changes.
The latter paper involves an unwarranted extrapolation of the IRIS hypothesis to early Earth (i.e., a negative
feedback between
temperatures and high clouds), a hypothesis which is highly controversial even in the modern day and
has convincingly been shown to be highly exaggerated.
Your comment also deals with another question I
have for a long time (not completly on topic I am afraid): If a CO2 - doubling provokes 3.7 W / m ^ 2 additional forcing and that leads (with
feedbacks and so on) to about 3K
temperature increase, how much
temperature increase from the beginning of the instrumental record till now should we expect?
Olympus Mons, What it
would take is a new model that explained climate better than the current one and a)
had a CO2 sensitivity lower than 1 degree per doubling; or b)
had a large negative
feedback that somehow kicked in right at the current terrestrial
temperature range; or c)
had a mechanism whereby CO2 suddenly stopped being a greenhouse gas at 280 ppmv
You are welcome to try something similar with global radiative forcing fluctuation, but if you do it will be rather tricky to isolate the cloud effect, since you
have the snow and ice albedo effect to deal with then, which are largely
temperature - related
feedbacks.
On the possibility of a changing cloud cover «forcing» global warming in recent times (assuming we can just ignore the CO2 physics and current literature on
feedbacks, since I don't see a contradiction between an internal radiative forcing and positive
feedbacks), one
would have to explain a few things, like why the diurnal
temperature gradient
would decrease with a planet being warmed by decreased albedo... why the stratosphere should cool... why winters should warm faster than summers... essentially the same questions that come with the cosmic ray hypothesis.
If one takes the simple view that deglaciation is forced by only global ice volume change and greenhouse
feedbacks, then one
would be forced to conclude that Antarctic
temperature change led all of its forcings!
What really concerns me is that I
've read a lot about climate models not being able to replicate the magnitude of abrupt regional
temperature changes in the past, and Raypierre
has said here that he fears that past climate records point towards some yet unknown positive
feedback which might amplify warming at the northern latitudes.
I can understand how the
feedback of CO2 release with
temperature increase is weak and self - limiting but it
has to play at least a part of the process.
Seeing this as a baseline, positive CO2
feedback from
temperature changes, or a running out of capacity for greater uptake from CO2 accumulation,
would be seen as adding more CO2 to the air in addition to anthropogenic releases, but it
would have to surpass some level before it
would result in a total atmospheric accumulation of CO2 greater than anthropogenic emissions (first, as a rate, and later, cummulative change).
One other point on cloud
feedbacks from a paleoclimate perspective — if a strong negative cloud
feedback begins at modern earth
temperatures, it
would be unlikely for past
temperatures to
have exceeded modern ones.
Well, that seems to
have worked for a while, but as
temperatures rise due to higher CO2 concentrations plants become subject to both heat and drought stress, and so we
have that sink working less well than it
has in the past — which is a
feedback.
Including a
temperature feedback on
would change the climate sensitivity, but doesn't much change the impact of a small offset in.
At some
temperature (s), carbonate rocks themselves will decompose — the negative chemical weathering
feedback has limits (http://www.pnas.org/content/98/7/3666.full, fig. 1)-RRB-
(PS regarding Venus — as I
have understood it, a runaway water vapor
feedback would have occured when solar heating increasing to become greater than a limiting OLR value (Simpson - Kombayashi - Ingersoll limit — see http://chriscolose.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/climate-feedbacks-part-1/ — although I should add that at more «moderate»
temperatures (warmer than today), stratospheric H2O increases to a point where H escape to space becomes a significant H2O sink — if that stage worked fast enough relative to solar brightening, a runaway H2O case could be prevented, and it
would be a dry (er) heat.
Finally, because of the posited strong water vapor
feedback, which depends on absolute, not anomaly,
temperatures, one
would expect that the relationship should be positive, not negative due to the greater rate of accumulation of water vapor at higher absolute
temperatures.
However both do in fact force global
temperature, therefore both could be called forcings and the greenhouse effect of water vapour
would then be a positive
feedback forcing.
David Benson, Based solely on the fact that Earth was 33 degrees warmer than its blackbody
temperature, on what was known of the absorption spectrum of CO2 and on the fact that Earth's climate did not exhibit exceptional stability characteristic of systems with negative
feedback, I
'd probably still go with restricting CO2 sensitivity to 0 to + infinity.
We also know that there must be positive
feedbacks in order for Earth to be at its current
temperature — you wouldn't get 33 degrees of warming from just the intrinsic radiative properties of the greenhouse gasses.
Such an issue provides a positive
feedback and also underlies the amplification of
temperature in the Arctic, which
has recently clearly emerged in observations.
I
have a question for the ice scientists: If an ice free Arctic summer becomes routine, say in 2013, how much will the absorption
feedback vs. normal albedo raise global
temperature?
Climate models, on the other hand,
have a successful track record — look at the melting Arctic, warming around Antarctica, the surface
temperature, the water
feedback effect, the reduction in mountain glaciers... etc..
In other words, after the immediate increase in
temperature caused by a doubling of CO ₂ over 70 years,
would the
temperature necessarily continue to increase a certain (large or small) amount or could the more slowly acting
feedbacks cause it to drop back in the longer term?