That means discussing a global average
temperature is meaningless.
An average gobal
temperature is meaningless.
Temperature is an intensive variable: a global temperature does not actually exist; and, an average global
temperature is meaningless concept.
GLOBAL average
temperature is meaningless in regard to the RADIANT envelope since a significant portion of the surface of the Earth is outside of the RADIANT envelope.
Of course several denizens on this board have denied CO2 is a greenhouse gas (by denying the greenhouse effect) and have denied that Earth has warmed (by claiming global
temperature is meaningless concept) and denied that rising CO2 has a warming effect.
Similarly, a global average for
temperatures is meaningless as we miss the nuances by bundling together all data.
Not exact matches
By showing that (a) there
are no common physical laws between the warming phenomenon in glass houses and the fictitious atmospheric greenhouse effects, (b) there
are no calculations to determine an average surface
temperature of a planet, (c) the frequently mentioned difference of 33 C
is a
meaningless number calculated wrongly, (d) the formulas of cavity radiation
are used inappropriately, (e) the assumption of a radiative balance
is unphysical, (f) thermal conductivity and friction must not
be set to zero, the atmospheric greenhouse conjecture
is falsified
You will disagree, of course, but I still believe that it would
be better tactics in the face of the
meaningless but easily exploited decade of
temperature flattening, to engage with the skeptics rather than to seek to dismiss out of hand with name - calling and the like.
By showing that (a) there
are no common physical laws between the warming phenomenon in glass houses and the fictitious atmospheric greenhouse effects, (b) there
are no calculations to determine an average surface
temperature of a planet, (c) the frequently mentioned difference of 33 C
is a
meaningless number calculated wrongly, (d) the formulas of cavity radiation
are used inappropriately, (e) the assumption of a radiative balance
is unphysical, (f) thermal conductivity and friction must not
be set to zero, the atmospheric greenhouse conjecture
is falsified
Until you can provide one, one that explains why the known forcings over the same period of time had no affect on
temperature, they
are meaningless.
If global
temperature has no agreed scientific meaning, it
is meaningless, then measuring it seems pointless.
So this
temperature analysis
is absolutely
meaningless and a waste of time in all respects bar one: it does suggest that there
are cyclical influences and that alone
is sufficient to cast serious doubt on the totally cycle - free vision of the IPCC.
They emphasise that it
was the Chinese delegate who insisted on tinkering with the 1.5 degrees Celcius
temperature target — crucial to the survival of small - island states — until it
was largely
meaningless.
How about going back to what
is presented to you, and standing up to the challenge: Explain 350 years of no warming in the CET summer
temperatures: http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/MidSummer-MidWinter.htm or go back to
meaningless waffle.
If future
temperatures were to match your modeled values, you would call that a
meaningless coincidence, right?
Matt: If future
temperatures were to match your modeled values, you would call that a
meaningless coincidence, right?
The «hottest year» claims had already
been exposed as «statistically
meaningless and a confirmation of the 18 year plus
temperature «pause»,» Morano continued, citing numerous scientists who «balked» at the «warmest on record» allegation.
I recommend that the Trump Administration issue the Draft Report with an added section explaining how useless and biased the rest of the Draft Report
is because it primarily relies on
meaningless model results and unreliable surface
temperature data.
The observation
is valid without advert to a
meaningless concept like «average global
temperature.»
Ever notice that whenever
temperatures are in stasis or dropping there
is a rush to find errors and make adjustments or blabber on about «noise» in a
meaningless manner.
The r2 statistic on all these
temperature reconstructions
is so low as to render them
meaningless.
None of them
is useful in predicting the future
temperature trends, so in that respect the trends
are meaningless.
Surely the fact that CO2 sublimes at a higher
temperature than minus 80 °C demonstrates how
meaningless such statements
are.
And yet, proxy
temperature trends
are authoritatively published with ordinates showing resolutions of 0.2 C. Those plots
are scientifically
meaningless.
The fact this
is seemingly not fully recognized — or here integrated — by Curry goes to the same reason Curry does not recognize why the so called «pause»
is a fiction, why the «slowing» of the «rate» of increase in average ambient global land and ocean surface air
temperatures over a shorter term period from the larger spike beyond the longer term mean of the 90s
is also
meaningless in terms of the basic issue, and why the average ambient increase in global air
temperatures over such a short term
is by far the least important empirical indicia of the issue.
The Moon's «mean
temperature» I gave you
is also a
meaningless number and
is used (by some) only because daily values aren't available across a wide area of the Moon's surface to determine a true number.
Anyway with El Niño fading away and possibly a new El Nina with other natural cooing factors coming in to play there
is a good chance of another decade or more of «Pausing» or cooling in global
temperatures which
is itself a stupid concept as it cools and heats in different places of the planet dependent on the local climate conditions an average
is meaningless — you really need to dream up some more dire alarmist nonsense to keep your show on the road.
These may
be meaningless for an accurate «global»
temperature determination, but they give some pretty good clues about the internal oscillations.
The Moon's blackbody
temperature is -2.5 °C but the mean
temperature I quoted from elsewhere -LRB--23 °C)
is just a
meaningless average of some published max and min values (I learned this fact after you pointed out this oddity).
No, he said, and that
was why he had taken care to anonymize the data and send them to a statistician, who had confirmed the obvious: since the same technique, applied to the same data, could produce precisely opposite results depending upon a careful choice of the endpoints for the multiple trend - lines that the IPCC's bureaucrats had superimposed on the perfectly correct graph of 150 years of
temperature changes that the scientists had submitted, the technique must
be defective and any results obtained by its use must
be meaningless.
For example, Peilke's argument that Ocean Heat Content
is more meaningful and arguments that surface
temperature is «
meaningless»
are not addressed directly.
The «fact» may
be wrong (thermometer
is broken) or
meaningless — the radiant heat from the sun
is what cooks you, not the air
temperature.
The MITS reasons that one molecule moving at ten times the average speed of air molecules at sea level must
be much hotter than average, but this only shows a lack of appreciation for how something like
temperature becomes
meaningless without an abstraction on which to base it.
Therefore, the CO2 correlation with alleged
temperature rises
is meaningless.
Those numbers
are meaningless as the average
temperature of the surface of the Moon
is between 80 °C on the lit face and -200 °C on the dark face and averaged over a lunar day it
's 98 K at the poles and 206 K at the equator.
The resolution of climate questions has a minimum, in the case of surface
temperature somewhere below 17 years but certainly over 8.5 years, below which any shorter span
is truly
meaningless on its own.
John Philips (13:43:35) «Trends» have become virtually
meaningless lately, since the word has
been so variably used, but try this: Eyeball the
temperature curve as correlated to the Pacific Decadal Oscillation and you will see an excellent relationship with the cyclic cooling and warming phase of the PDO overlaid on a gradual warming trend emerging from the Little Ice Age.
Combining land surface
temperatures and sea surface
temperatures is a particularly
meaningless metric, because SSTs measure the rate at which heat
is transferred from the oceans to the atmosphere.
Averaging
temperature is kind of
meaningless.
To combine all these half - assed measurements into a thermodynamically
meaningless «average»
temperature of the globe
is nothing short of anti-science.
They appear to
be meaningless they don't appear to
be C of F and the numbers descend which makes no sense, if the graphs
are meant to represent ascending
temperatures.
Average
temperature of the planet
is a completely
meaningless number.
An illustration of how
meaningless the record and the results
are is given by the fact that in many years the difference in global annual average
temperature is at least half the 0.7 °C figure.
The 2 %
is a
meaningless number, because two thirds of the globe
is covered by oceans, of which there weren't
temperature records (of any meaning) in 1934.
Perhaps at last we can really start to get back to science - based ecology ie: forget about
meaningless global
temperature trends which
are both completely beyond our scope to quantify whist at the same time
being utterly useless to us in terms of our local micro-environments....
Averaging atmospheric
temperature is mathematically easy and completely
meaningless in physics from the perspective of assessing whether «green house gases» cause the retention of energy in the atmosphere.
Since GHG forcing
is in terms of energy and guestimated as a
temperature impact, you can push the limits of the zeroth law and show some super impressive
temperature response that
is just about
meaningless in terms of «global» impacts.
By showing that (a) there
are no c ommon physical laws between the warming phenomenon in glass houses and the fictitious atmospheric greenhouse effect b) there
are no calculations to determine an average surface
temperature of a planet, (c) the frequently mentioned difference of 33 C a
meaningless number calculated wrongly, (d) the formulas of cavity radiation
are used inappropriately, (e) the assumption of a radiative balance
is unphysical, (f) thermal conductivity and friction must not
be set to zero, the atmospheric greenhouse conjecture
is falsified.
In other words, it
's unphysical to claim that the
temperatures just walk around randomly within very wide (and thus essentially
meaningless) bounds: It goes against conservation of energy.
However, in the same manner that Chris Essex and Ross wrote that global average
temperature is physically
meaningless, so
is a monthly average
temperature, T. It
's a statistic, not a physical quantity.