It must further be stipulated that
there are moral people — at least in terms of the virtues appropriate to the temporal realm — who do not draw their morality from sources ostensibly religious in nature.
Not exact matches
Not everyone agrees on what
is noble, for example, and
there have
been atrocious acts of history committed by
people who sincerely believed they
were acting on a
moral ideal.
The
moral to the story
is that these days
there is no one single communication mechanism that captures everyone and
there are different things that different
people are attuned to listen out for (mostly subconsciously).
There is indeed something deeply wrong with a
person who lacks principles, who has no
moral core.
That
's the real truth, and that
's why
people are fascinated by other ways which have remained less disturbed by the Gospel that really grips this society, which
is that
there should
be no constraint on individual consumer choice in goods or
morals.
There are also plenty of examples of
people without a monotheistic religion that live or have lived peacefully in accordance with their own
morals.
There are many songs written and played by
people against whom I have the most fundamental and passionate disagreements in the
moral and intellectual realms (which
are the most important ones), yet hearing their songs can evoke ecstatic feelings that
are very much like feelings of worship and longing for God.
Religious co-opted morality as it
's dominion, but
there was morality before religion and
there are millions of perfectly
moral, non-religious
people walking around right now.
Case in point, it
is not logical to suggest
there is «good» vs «bad» if
there is no ultimate
moral authority, no higher power that created everything, including free will and the ability to choose whether to heed that drive to do what
is «good» vs doing what you want to do at the expense of «good» and of other
people.
Some
people talk about morality like if it weren't for Christianity
there would
be no
morals.
Observer, I would
be the last
person to say that
there are no
moral non-Christians, or that ALL Christians
are highly
moral.
Possibly, but why did the
person who taught him know it
was wrong... ad infinitum... eventually you have to come to the fact that
there must have
been a
moral law giver (ie God) at some point.
There is some behavior that some
people find
moral and others find immoral — abortion or the death penalty, for example.
There is mental,
moral illness, where these
people must treat psychology.
That
there have «only»
been 75 - 100 million
people killed for religious reasons
is hardly compelling evidence of God's power to produce
moral followers.
There are only
people raised by a different but equal
moral code.
Actually
there is a form of proof that
people don't need the treat of heaven or the bribe of hell to
be moral; the ancient mesopotamians did it just fine.
Yes, those who like to say that
there are moral absolutes inherent in
people, places, or things
are clearly shown to
be wrong by the simple existence of an unstable and diverse and contradictory bunch of «holy books».
In today
's divided
moral landscape, with thoughtful, well - meaning
people on both sides of every issue,
there's no better way to show that you
're a serious thinker than by acknowledging that every controversial issue
is «complex.»
They believe that
there is a fundamental
moral distinction to
be drawn between a system that encourages
people to
be greedy and one that instead encourages them to acquire only what they truly need.
There has
been a total
moral breakdown in this country and we have become like so many other nations who don't give a damn about
people and support big business over its own workforce.
Socialists believe that
there is a fundamental
moral distinction to
be drawn between a system that encourages
people to
be greedy and one that instead encourages them to acquire only what they truly need.
There is for them only one God — he is holy, his land is holy, his nation is to be a holy people — and while the indiscriminate mixture of moral and ceremonial elements carries over old ideas even while it ventures into new ones, there is an evident elevation of the idea of holiness into terms of the divine majesty, and of the Most High's exclusive claim on man s devo
There is for them only one God — he
is holy, his land
is holy, his nation
is to
be a holy
people — and while the indiscriminate mixture of
moral and ceremonial elements carries over old ideas even while it ventures into new ones,
there is an evident elevation of the idea of holiness into terms of the divine majesty, and of the Most High's exclusive claim on man s devo
there is an evident elevation of the idea of holiness into terms of the divine majesty, and of the Most High'
s exclusive claim on man
s devotion.
I find, on the contrary, that it
is much more difficult today for the knowing
person to approach God from history, from the spiritual side of the world, and from
morals; for
there we encounter the suffering and evil in the world, which it
is difficult to bring into harmony with an all «merciful and almighty God.
Similarly, while
there may
be some value in the refusal to take a
moral stance on homosexuality — in order to focus squarely on the nature of marriage rather than on same - sex relationships — I
am less than persuaded by the authors»
moral judgment that
people's sexual relationships
are a private issue.
An act has positive
moral value when it
is based upon the whole - hearted assent of the
person to it, that
is, when
there is a congruent relation between the act and the total personality structure of the one who acts.
He'd rather believe in God while living on earth,
being a good and
moral person then die and found out
there was no God, than to not believe
there is a God, do whatever he pleased, to die and find out
there is a God.
There are still plenty of
people around who would like to argue that a
moral code can
be discerned from nature, but the modernist understanding of nature undermines their efforts.
There can be nothing in there to enlighten, to educate or bring people to any understanding of what is good and m
There can
be nothing in
there to enlighten, to educate or bring people to any understanding of what is good and m
there to enlighten, to educate or bring
people to any understanding of what
is good and
moral.
I can tell you that
there is a lot in the Quran to enlighten, educate and bring
people to ALL understanding of what
is good and
moral.
In the first instance,
there are those who argue that since all
persons have a fundamental spiritual or
moral equality, then that equality ought to extend to all social, economic and political relationships in which they find themselves.
The committed Christian
is one about whom
there is no doubt concerning which side he will
be on in a clear - cut
moral issue or how he will meet a
moral crisis that might shake another
person from his moorings.
Jeremy thanks for your comments alot of this i never really thought about before until you provoked me to seek the truth in the word it
is what we all should
be doing finding the truth for ourselves God wants to reveal mysterys if we
are open to hear.If we have
been christians awhile we just take the word of whoevers preaching or whichever clip we see on god tube its knowledge but not revelation.Because the story sounds plausible we tag that on to our belief for example for many years i believed that the rich young rulers problem
was money so the way to deal with that problem
is to give it away and
be a follower of Jesus sounds plausible.Till you realise every believers situation
is different so the message has to
be universal.So the reason its not about money because it excludes those that do nt have it and does nt make room for those that do have it but do nt worship it.The rich young ruler
was not a bad
person he lived by a good
moral code but he made money his idol he put that before God.The word says we shall not have any idols thats a sin and a wicked one.In fact
there wasnt any room in his heart for Jesus that
is a tragedy.So when we see the message
is about Idolatry we all have areas that we chose not to submit to God thats universal everyone of us whether we
are rich or poor.I believe we
are unaware that we have these idols what
are some of them that
was revealed to me our partners our children our work our church our family i can sense some of you
are getting fidgetty.
Just as
there is no
moral quality in the fact that
persons are born male or female, so these other human differences
are facts.
There are many questions about the Christian god that many people simply ignore, mainly because it makes sense to question, and when force to face the reality that there can be morals, goodness, peace, right and wrong, and so on, WITHOUT the Christian
There are many questions about the Christian god that many
people simply ignore, mainly because it makes sense to question, and when force to face the reality that
there can be morals, goodness, peace, right and wrong, and so on, WITHOUT the Christian
there can
be morals, goodness, peace, right and wrong, and so on, WITHOUT the Christian god.
By the way by no means does this mean that I
am particularly against Islam, I
am also against Judaism, Christianity, and any unproven dark age manifestation of a all knowing, creator, If
there was a god he sure does «nt need help enforcing his edicts and
morals, remember that if
there is a god then as many religions state,
people will
be judged upon
there beliefs and sins after death and spend eternity in heaven or hell, so why
is it so important for
people to butt in and start trying to control each other and force
people to believe in something that many think
is absurd and insane.
There was no evidence of its coming, of the kind that
people had imagined; no vast revolution in human affairs, no cataclysm, not even a sudden and far - reaching
moral reformation.
There is no requirement to
be a
moral person.
Since
there is so much evidence of the
moral decay that follows a loss of theistic conviction and so little evidence of the maintenance of civilization apart from this conviction, the burden of proof
is on the
person who answers Meiklejohn's question in the affirmative.
I realize it
is very difficult to believe, with the
morals that most
people grow up with that any religion can
be so violent and extreme, but,
there are those who have warped the Muslim faith and that
is a tragedy.
Young
people in particular often visualize their
moral problem in some such way as this: on the one side
is the ideal life with its purity, its self - forgetfulness, its fine awareness of things invisible, and on the other side
are the primitive instincts — pugnacity, egotism, sensuality, the caveman within, and between these two
there is an irreconcilable hostility.
The linchpin of Professor Rawls» criticism of the «rationalist believers»
was his claim that they deny what he called «the fact of reasonable pluralism,» namely, in circumstances of political and religious freedom it
is to
be expected that
there will emerge serious differences of opinion among reasonable
people on important
moral and theological questions.
The second error
is to suppose that
there is no right (or rationally superior) answer to important
moral questions on which
people disagree, or that the right answer can only
be known by blind faith, not by reason.
The Second Vatican Council, in insisting in the document on Ecumenism that
there can
be no change or concession within the Church Catholic in matters of doctrine of faith and
morals, has equivalently informed us in the name of the Holy Spirit, that it
is the will of God to give to His Church and to His
people who «seek Him with a sincere heart» just such new knowledge, new vision, and new unity.
There can
be moral maturing through tragic experience bath for individuals and for whale
peoples.
But it has
been said on these blogs that
there are people of different beliefs who
are all
moral people.
But the fact that the land
was originally acquired by force
was erased from the minds of the biblical writers because of the deeply
moral and spiritual heritage which the
people of Israel developed
there.
on that premise
there is an increasing number of
people who question «dominion over all the beasts» on «
moral» grounds, and I
'm not just talking about vegans.
It must
be admitted that
there are certain potential vices to virtue ethics even in its minimalist mode, i.e., even when it does not try to crowd out the legitimate insights of deontologists and utilitarians (e.g., from the deontological side, that
there are limits — deontoi — regarding what any virtuous
person can
be permitted to do, and, from the utilitarian side, that
there are calculations which
are relevant regarding many
moral decisions the virtuous
person must make).
Happy Jack — I didn't say
there was a set of established
morals for Atheists, in fact i noted that
there was NOT a set of
morals, if you want to know if Atheists have
morals and where they come from you'd probably have to ask an atheist, my post
was simply pointing to the fact that the dictators i
was talking about did not have a specific set of
morals telling them that Murdering millions of
people was wrong.