So you concede that the atmosphere emits thermal radiation to the surface which you claim then inhibits the emission of thermal radiation from that surface, but wouldn't the radiation from the surface then inhibit the emission of
thermal radiation from the atmosphere too?
the GHG
thermal radiation from the atmosphere reduces surface emissivity so the impedance to heat transport from all sources rises.
Nope: the GHG
thermal radiation from the atmosphere reduces surface emissivity so the impedance to heat transport from all sources rises.
Others also call the total flows of
thermal radiation from the atmosphere to the surface and visa versa, heat.
Not exact matches
Thanks to the dry, clear
atmosphere at the South Pole, SPT is better able to «look» at the cosmic microwave background — the
thermal radiation left over
from the Big Bang — and map out the location of galaxy clusters, which are hundreds to thousands of galaxies that are bound together gravitationally and among the largest objects in the universe.
14 C is produced by
thermal neutrons
from cosmic
radiation in the upper
atmosphere, and is transported down to earth to be absorbed by living biological material.
Absorption of
thermal radiation cools the
thermal spectra of the earth as seen
from space,
radiation emitted by de-excitation is what results in the further warming of the surface, and the surface continues to warm until the rate at which energy is radiated
from the earth's climate system (given the increased opacity of the
atmosphere to longwave
radiation) is equal to the rate at which energy enters it.
ABSTRACT «We investigate the interaction of infrared active molecules in the
atmosphere with their own
thermal background
radiation as well as with
radiation from an external blackbody radiator.
What the CO2 (both «cold, hot and warm CO2 ′) and other gasses do is to make the
atmosphere more optically thick to
thermal IR
radiation emitted (mainly)
from the Earth's surface [note2] which has consequences for the equilibrium temperature profile of the
atmosphere.
Thermal radiation from O2 and N2 isn't even worth mentioning in the context of discussing the radiative properties of the
atmosphere.
Do you think you the results
from your experiments would allow you to accurately predict how a doubling CO2 will interact with
thermal radiation in the earth's
atmosphere?
«Carbon dioxide absorbs in the atmospheric «window»
from 7 to 14 micrometers which transmits
thermal radiation emitted by the earth's surface and lower
atmosphere.
Looking down
from above the
atmosphere, a
thermal imaging camera sees only the «top layer» of all this
radiation.
The spectrum of
thermal infrared
radiation is practically distinct
from that of shortwave or solar
radiation because of the difference in temperature between the Sun and the Earth -
atmosphere system.
This is because, when
radiation from a cooler
atmosphere strikes a warmer surface it undergoes «resonant scattering» (sometimes called pseudo-scattering) and this means its energy is not converted to
thermal energy.
The warmer body cools more slowly as a result because a ready source of energy
from incident
radiation is quicker to just «reflect» back into the
atmosphere, rather than have to convert its own
thermal energy to radiated energy.
Atmospheres absorb incident
radiation from the Sun at all altitudes, and radiate it away until they cool to the predetermined
thermal profile.
So water dances at many speeds,
from the unimaginable fast vibrations of its molecules responding to
thermal infrared
radiation, to the moment - to - moment dance of its phase changes in response to temperature changes, to the week - long dance of its vapor in and out of the
atmosphere, to the slow geological pavanes of rock, air and life, of which it too forms an inextricable part.
«Because the solar -
thermal energy balance of Earth [at the top of the
atmosphere (TOA)-RSB- is maintained by radiative processes only, and because all the global net advective energy transports must equal zero, it follows that the global average surface temperature must be determined in full by the radiative fluxes arising
from the patterns of temperature and absorption of
radiation.»
If CO2 and H2O molecules now are cooled below the previous equilibrium point by having their
radiation allowed to escape to outer space, then I believe these molecules must then tend to absorb more energy than yield energy with each interaction with the other components of the
atmosphere until that
atmosphere as a whole reaches a new
thermal equilibrium where the net
radiation going out and the net
radiation coming in (primarily
from the sun and the surrounding
atmosphere) is the same.
Each higher and cooler layer in turn emits
thermal radiation corresponding to its temperature; and much of that also escapes directly to space around the absorption bands of the higher
atmosphere layers; and so on; so that the total LWIR emission
from the earth should then be a composite of roughly BB spectra but with source temepratures ranging ove the entire surface Temeprature range, as well as the range of atmospheric emitting Temperatures.
A consequence of the model you have proposed would seem to be that the «back
radiation» due to CO2 interception of surface emitted (
from solid or liquid continuum
thermal radiation can consist only of the specific wavelengths that the CO2 absorbed in the first place; since you say no net energy is exchanged between the CO2 and the
Atmosphere.
Not sure if you meant the double negative here, but just to clarify matters,
radiation from a cooler
atmosphere is not converted to
thermal energy when it meets a warmer surface because its frequency is below the cut - off.
We hqppen to have such a star that delivers EM energy to the bottom of the transparent
atmosphere, and that energy warms the bottom of the
atmosphere by all the well known
thermal processes, until the energy loss rate, eventually limited by
radiation, matches the supply rate
from the star.
Briefly, the warmer body (Earth's surface) is not affected by
radiation from the cooler one (the
atmosphere) because that
radiation does not have enough energy (high enough frequency) to bring about the conversion of its energy into
thermal energy.
Any emission to the surface will not be absorbed and converted to
thermal energy (because it comes
from a cooler source) and so all
radiation from the
atmosphere eventually ends up going to space.
The only effect that
radiation from a cooler
atmosphere can have on the surface is to slow down the rate of
thermal energy transferred by
radiation to the
atmosphere.
All the NASA and Trenberth et al energy diagrams treat solar
radiation and atmospheric
radiation exactly the same, with a clear implication that the energy in
radiation from the
atmosphere is converted to
thermal energy in the surface, which could then exit by evaporation, diffusion or additional
radiation.
«Changes in the Earth's
radiation budget are driven by changes in the balance between the
thermal emission
from the top of the
atmosphere and the net sunlight absorbed.
The biggest error of all the errors in the physics of the radiative greenhouse conjecture is that they «explain» the surface temperature of 288K using Stefan - Boltzmann calculations based on the direct solar
radiation PLUS about TWICE as much supposed
thermal energy input
from the colder
atmosphere.
There are also metal (
thermal)
radiation shields sitting intermediately between the inner very cold area and the outside which limit the heat flow
from the outside, much as greenhouse gases in the
atmosphere, limit the rate at which the surface cools.
The latter two processes transfer twice as much
thermal energy to the
atmosphere as does
radiation from the surface according to the NASA net energy diagram reproduced in my paper.
The effect of this disparity is that
thermal radiation escaping to space comes mostly
from the cold upper
atmosphere, while the surface is maintained at a substantially warmer temperature.
The
atmosphere of the Earth is less able to absorb shortwave
radiation from the Sun than
thermal radiation coming
from the surface.
You get the real GHE
from correct
radiation physics, which is that
thermal IR
from the lower
atmosphere blocks surface IR emission in GHG band centres, reducing total emissivity.
So the
atmosphere must be opaque to
thermal IR
radiation to produce an effective temperature at the TOA different
from the ground one.
There is «backradiation» because people have given that label to «downward directed
thermal IR
radiation from the
atmosphere toward the surface».
Wayne If you don't like «back
radiation», you could always use «plain old
thermal radiation from the molecules in the
atmosphere that happens to be directed back down in the general direction of the surface».......
Thermal radiation comes into the
atmosphere from the sun, is converted to different wavelengths, and leaves it again.
But you still have the whole broad wavelength range of
thermal radiation, so that is either directly
from the surface; so should exhibit the surface Temperature characteristic (spectrum); or it is emitted
from the
atmosphere.