So yes, I do think we read scripture differently and we expect different
things from scripture.
Not exact matches
My aim is to take
scriptures at their most obvious, and I am not bending or breaking a single
thing from any passage in Genesis (most of this is based on Rabbinic interpretations).
Of course, there are
things we need to learn about family and God that does come
from the
scriptures and church and prayer and revelation.
The above verse of
scripture has not a damned
thing to do with celestial glories as
from what I heard the LDS are leaning towards,,,, Care to explain to us all this celestial rewarding?
There's no reason to assume that Jesus» ability to recall this story
from his Jewish
scriptures makes him God any more than Adam Sandler's ability to do the same
thing.
These
things are in
scripture to convict us (so we'll have some sorrow and repent that the gospel may take a hold of us) and to protect us
from harming ourselve and others in society)
From Agnostic to Islam and I have seen examples in the past... so my humble request to you is not to stop... keep learning or studying the new stuffs... an advice to you when you decide to study or learn about Islam — do not point to the people who does wrong
things as wrong doing people are there in everywhere regardless of faith, but look into the
scripture and go to someone who has knowledge if you have any question that bothers you but make sure that person is well educated to his community... i ask The Almighty God to open your heart...
In addition, they are going to see
things from their perspective in the
Scriptures that as Westerners we haven't seen — we must be ready to learn.
«Male and female he created them» is not merely a statement
from Scripture but a reflection on the physical and spiritual reality of
things, and in the modern era we are coming to understand just how very interesting it is that we are male and female, how different and complementary we are, howsignificant this might be, and how much we need to study and reflect on it.
Take 10 minutes
from patting yourself on the back and take a look at my blog / websites, and / or my comments on other threads here, and you'll be quickly disabused of the notion that I treat the
Scriptures «as though they are written directly to 20th Century A.D. Americans» (For what it's worth, I'm not American, so why would I do such a
thing).
I am reading your newest posts to your oldest.I have never been to bible school but I consider myself in the journey of education concerning the bible.more than any opinions that you have what concerns me most is how «brothers and sisters» through their comments responds to someone who thinks differently
from what is perceived as absolutes (not sure if that's the right term) in scripture.I wonder did the apostle believe half the
things that are seen as church doctirine today?how did the disciples who did not have the new testament or the ability to read follow Jesus?I appreciate your questioning.In my experience we are too quick to try and fix someone or use the
scriptures as a control mechanism and to slow to practise empathy and love..
the other curious
thing is when theists go after the atheists over our knowledge of
scripture, most atheists were once theists so we would have some idea of
scripture like you all however with the onslaught of attacks
from religious folks in the real world when they discover we're not «one of them» has the same effect as the villian in the comics unwittingly creating the superhero.
«First we affirm that we desire to follow
Scripture alone as a rule of faith and religion, without mixing it with any other
things which might be devised by the opinion of men apart
from the Word of God, and without wishing to accept for our spiritual government any other doctrine than what is conveyed to us by the same Word without addition to diminution, according to the command of our Lord.»
According to Enns, we would do well to learn a few
things from the Jewish readers of
Scripture whose emphasis in engaging the holy text is «not on solving the problems once and for all but on a community upholding a conversation with
Scripture with creative energy.»
Besides, we Christians need to stop being shocked and ashamed of
things that which
Scripture doesn't shy away
from.
A quick about Abba Pambo — a contemporary of Origen: «If we asked [him] for a word
from scripture or some other
thing, he would not give us an answer right away but would say, «I haven't figured out the meaning of this word yet»... It normally happened that he spent two or three whole days, or a whole week without giving us an answer saying «if I do not know what sort of fruit this will bear, whether it is a fruit of death or life, I will not speak.»»
You might want to read some of the (even older)
scriptures from Hinduism or Buddhism (and others) which say many similar
things.
4:6), and false teachers, as Peter noticed (2 Peter 3: i6), were quite prepared for and adept at twisting the
Scriptures to serve their own ends, and no one is immune
from doing the same
thing.
It went
from me noticing bout the dreams about the next days
scripture, to dreams involving other people too,
things outside my own person.
---- Al - Kahf 18: In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful Praise be to Allah Who hath revealed the
Scripture unto His slave, and hath not placed therein any crookedness, (1)(But hath made it) straight, to give warning of stern punishment
from Him, and to bring unto the believers who do good works the news that theirs will be a fair reward, (2) Wherein they will abide for ever; (3) And to warn those who say: Allah hath chosen a son, (4)(A
thing) whereof they have no knowledge, nor (had) their fathers, Dreadful is the word that cometh out of their mouths.
«Divine inspiration» means «produced by God», and this means, in terms of our discussion of God in Chapter VIII, «arising
from those aspects of the nature of
things which are experienced in the five fundamentals of change, dependence, etc.» Thus divine inspiration can be intelligibly interpreted to mean that the
Scriptures are very particularly transparent to and vehicles of the basic experiences called religious.
O when one beholds a man who protests that he has entirely understood how Christ went about in the form of a lowly servant, poor, despised, and, as the
Scripture says, spat upon — when I see the same man so careful to betake himself thither where in a worldly sense it is good to be, and accommodate himself there in the utmost security, when I see him apprehensive of every puff of wind
from right or left, as though his life depended upon it, and so blissful, so utterly blissful, so awfully glad — yes, to make the
thing complete, so awfully glad that he is able to thank God for it — glad that he is held in honor by all men — then I have often said to myself and by myself, «Socrates, Socrates, Socrates, can it be possible that this man has understood what he says he has understood?»
It says: «
From that time onwards the Church has never failed to come together to celebrate the paschal mystery...» And those celebrations are a description of our liturgy: ``... reading those
things «which were in all the
scriptures concerning him» (Luke 24:27), celebrating the Eucharist in which «the victory and triumph of his death are again made present», and at the same time giving thanks «to God for his unspeakable gift» (2 Cor 9:15) in Christ Jesus, «in praise of his glory» (Eph 1:12), through the power of the Holy Spirit».
«There can be no question that such a
thing can be counterintuitive for more traditional evangelical doctrines of
Scripture,» Enns confesses, «since this is eisegesis (reading meaning into
Scripture) rather thanexegesis (getting meaning
from Scripture).»
By way of illustration I take two key verses
from Luke's beautiful narrative of the walk to Emmaus: «And beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them in all the
scriptures the
things concerning himself.»
And since Mormon doctrine and
scripture teaches that brown
things are bad, stay away
from our chocolate ice cream!
From the Summa Theologjae we read «The author of Sacred
Scripture is God, in whose power it is to signify his meaning, not by words only (as man also can do), but also by
things in themselves» 1,1,10.
Next
thing I know I'm on your site reading about this while cross referencing
scripture from Matt S. Yours could not be disputed if read in context.
Extract yourself
from the ivory tower with its clinical reading of
scripture and immerse yourself in real life and
things start to look a lot different.
This protects you
from the «attack» of the Other, you think... but if you ask me, it brings up enough negative energy in you to have a spiritual breakdown, like Job, and to side only with people, who hold to
Scripture, blindly - in other words, to side with those who have not learned to trust that thinking for themselves, as individuals, is a good
thing.
Readings
from scripture reminded us that death comes to every living
thing, including ourselves.
I am not so concerned whether
scripture is completely factually true or if the authors included their own perspectives / understandings (I can't imagine that they could do otherwise)-- I don't believe those
things take away
from the truth I will find there.
[26] Put simply, in the gradual revelation of God in Sacred
Scripture the emphasis was placed uponHe - who - IS and
from there was developed the whole cosmic vision of creation and Revelation — «set your hearts first on the Kingdom of God and on his saving justice, and all these other
things will be given you as well» (Mt 6: 33).
But whatever happened
from from God's side of
things in the process of writing
Scripture, I'm just not sure it can be called «inspiration of
Scripture» as classically defined.
The most amazing
thing that I have gained
from studying
Scripture with a Hebraic perspective is a depth of wisdom that I would never have been able to tap into without the shift in my thinking.
Jeremy i am surprised you never countered my argument Up till now the above view has been my understanding however
things change when the holy spirit speaks.He amazes me because its always new never old and it reveals why we often misunderstand
scripture in the case of the woman caught in adultery.We see how she was condemned to die and by the grace of God Jesus came to her rescue that seems familar to all of us then when they were alone he said to her Go and sin no more.This is the point we misunderstand prior to there meeting it was all about her death when she encountered Jesus something incredible happened he turned a death situation into life situation so
from our background as sinners we still in our thinking and understanding dwell in the darkness our minds are closed to the truth.In effect what Jesus was saying to her and us is chose life and do nt look back that is what he meant and that is the walk we need to live for him.That to me was a revelation it was always there but hidden.Does it change that we need discipline in the church that we need rules and guidelines for our actions no we still need those
things.But does it change how we view non believers and even ourselves definitely its not about sin but its all about choosing life and living.He also revealed some other interesting
things on salvation so i might mention those on the once saved always saved discussion.Jeremy just want to say i really appreciate your website because i have not really discussed issues like this and it really is making me press in to the Lord for answers to some of those really difficult questions.regards brentnz
And
Scripture continually shows us that when God's chosen people tries to find other means apart
from God to survive, to conquer, to protect itself, then it is attacked and endangered by the very
thing in which it trusts.
@ Bruce «A couple of
things about belief and evidence for belief
from the
scriptures: (1) the gospel of John encourages us to believe based on the testimony of others who were «eyewitnesses» to key events»
The
Scripture does talk about happiness, but it is a happiness derived
from obeying God and serving others, even when such
things result in personal pain, suffering, and even death.
Holy
Scripture, he said, in order to make its message understood, purges the human mind by the use of «words drawn
from any class of
things really existing.»
Writing about what I am learning in
Scripture, and learning
from others who write blogs or leave comments is one of the
things I enjoy most.
But whatever conclusion we come to, three
things are clear
from Scripture (Romans 11).
We are at the era of Charlatanism, Quackery & Delusion... Pure Religions are a good
thing but Religious one's might be misguided to astray beyond the truth by swindlers into becoming as dark as it reflects; - Say, «O People of the
Scripture, do not exceed limits in your religion beyond the truth and do not follow the inclinations of a people who had gone astray before and misled many and have strayed
from the soundness of the way.»
«
Scripture simply says that the moon, the sun, and the stars were placed in the firmament of the heaven, below and above which heaven are the waters... It is likely that the stars are fastened to the firmament like globes of fire, to shed light at night... We Christians must be different
from the philosophers in the way we think about the causes of
things.
from the beginning a serpent has been trying to twist, distort and confuse
things... even
scripture
Here, we either to choose to conclude that all sacred
scriptures are anything
from human naïveté to human conspiracy, or we choose to appreciate the manifold, perennial, and universal attempts to understand and articulate
things that are mysterious but important to us.
He underscores to such an extent the inadequacy of expressions or formulations of the truth that it remains unclear how he prevents himself
from sliding into the position that inadequacy of expression entails inexpressibility of truth, or prevents interpretations endlessly deferring to other interpretations, such that we never have a statement that is simply true — even in Sacred
Scripture, and hence that there could be no such
thing as revealed (determinate) truth, expressing itself in and through sentences.
More than one
scripture indicates that faith is a gift
from God — yes, people are commanded and encouraged to believe, but the «natural man does not receive the
things of God...»
Who are we to judge what God does or allows he has his reasons who can fathom his ways he sees the end
from the beginning and is not limited to time or space like we are.Does God want anything the answer is Yes he wants a relationship with us that is why he sent his son because he had a purpose in creating us.However the wages of sin is death in this
scripture alone regardless of what happens here we all deserve to die God could have wiped us all out with another flood for who of us is worthy.It is by grace that we live and yes bad
things do happen to good people just as it does for the wicked is it to test our faith i do not know but i do know that God gives us the grace to endure through trials and difficulty and that all
things do work for Good if we love him..
'' We say, pronounce, sentence, and declare that you, the above - mentioned Galileo, because of the
things deduced in the trial and confessed by you as above, have rendered yourself according to this Holy Office vehemently suspected of heresy, namely of having held and believed a doctine which is false and contrary to the divine and Holy
Scripture: that the sun is the center of the world and does not move
from east to west, and the earth moves and is not the center of the world, and that one may hold and defend as probable an opinion after it has been declared and defined contrary to Holy
Scripture.»