In an effort to move the discussion closer to that more «full portfolio» view, I would actually argue that if you care about climate, in the near term, you might want to be
thinking about coal as much or more than you think about renewables.
When
we think about coal, we mostly think about burning it and mining it, but the TVA spill should burn into our memories the fact that disposing of all that coal ash can lead to a whole other series of environmental disasters (soon after the TVA spill, a second one took place in Alabama).
Not exact matches
I guess I feel the same way
about a liberal agenda that say that to get out of debt we have to spend more, or that my tax dollars have to pay for something I
think is morally wrong (Obamacare sets up a fund to pay for late term abortions) or a government that confiscates kids lunches, or tells me how much soda I can drink, or uses my tax money to choose winners and losers (mostly losers but Obma doners) in energy production that produces no energy yet we are sitting on more
coal and oil than any other nation on the planet.
Most analysts
think Rio Tinto got a good price for its NSW
coal sale, but radio host Ray Hadley reckons the Treasurer will have «major concerns»
about China's involvement.
«I
think coal is at a very low place right now,» Barnett said in an interview, noting that
coal has lost
about 10 percent of its market share for electricity generation as more utilities convert their plants to burn natural gas.
«Back then no one ever
thought about fertilizing with sulfur because there was always plenty of atmospheric sulfur available from burning
coal.»
Everybody understand no matter what you may
think about the energy needs of the United States right now, the future is not going to be
coal and oil, it's just is not going to be.
Here's one climate change denier who really doesn't want you to
think twice
about his funding from Koch,
coal and oil: Dr. Willie Soon, freshly profiled in today's Boston Globe.
At a Seattle Film Festival tribute, Sissy Spacek talks
about problems young actresses face, why she didn't want to play «
Coal Miner's Daughter» and what she
thinks of Jessica Chastain
«We did this out of a love for our own family pets, because when you
think about it, would you put a
coal tar treatment on your child?
It is important to note that there is an ongoing debate
about the use of
coal tar, since it is
thought to be a carcinogen.
We need nuclear plants as quickly as possible to begin the phase out dirty
coal plants and to start to
think seriously
about mass produced, American made electric cars.
If Peabody energy's bosses
think about this problem, in the future people will not buy their duty energy, will they stop build
coal power plant?
You can get
about 50 times the energy out of solar cells covering the same area as a bio-reactor tank that depends on photosynthesis, so I don't
think the idea that fertilizing bio-fuels with the CO2 from
coal combustion makes sense.
When you talk
about coal projects in the developing world, I
think you need to put this in perspective.
When you
think about it, Japan doesn't use very much
coal.
Whatever you
think of the claims
about coal exports and
coal - related jobs (several critics of Mr. McCain pounced on that statement), it does seem quite a stark turnabout for the candidate.
If the editors of the Times were truly smart and forward
thinking, they would repeatedly condemn the greedy oil and
coal industry as well as the rightwing naysayers like the moron in the oval office, and get real
about climate change.
I
thought the comments up thread
about coal aerosols in China were interesting.
I honestly
think she's too young to be listening to me going on and on
about such confusing stuff as oil, gas,
coal, greenhouse effect, global warming, manmade climate change, population explosion (she knows
about it), deforestation, desertification, rapid extinction of other species, pollution, problems, overconsumption, overindustrialization, problems, politics, economics, consumerism, and problems, religion, war, etc., etc., etc..
In the twisted minds of the industry Mad Men who put this together, it makes perfect sense to turn songs
about the birth of Jesus into songs
about «clean
coal... I'd say clean
coal had jumped the shark, but I
think you have to actually exist first before you can become self - parody.»
That said, I
think Andrew may have been wondering
about which COUNTRY has to count the emissions toward their cap or target — the country that exports the
coal, the country that makes (say) the cars, or the country that buys them?
But one little fly in the ointment
about «following the money»: don't you
think the oil and
coal lobbies have pockets one HELL of a lot deeper than environmental organizations supported by well intentioned college profs, high school teachers and housewives??
If industry - generated aerosols have a more limited cooling effect than originally
thought, we can clean up and scale down dirty
coal plants without worrying too much
about consequent sudden jumps in global temperatures of up to 2 degrees C (if I remember the upper limits of earlier studies correctly).
Do you
think that most of these politicians who talk
about «clean
coal» have any clue whatsoever what processes are involved, how they would work, and what the chances and risks are?
We did not succeed in what we set out to do except for the fact that tens of thousands of people up and down the East Coast got to see the panel and got to start
thinking about how to get our most important piece of real estate off of
coal.
I
think if the
coal industry hadn't been so vicious
about all of this, buying them out would be on the table.
Apparently, when Jonathan Moylan and his fellow activists are not campaigning against
coal mines they are
thinking about how to maximising their superannuation nest eggs.
Big Oil and Big
Coal funded sympathetic
think tanks like the Heritage Foundation and the Competitive Enterprise Institute and also outright front groups with names like Friends of Science and the Global Climate Coalition, all of which came up with an endless stream of arguments for why global warming wasn't happening and even if it was, nothing should be done
about it.
On a conference call discussing the plan, Vice President for Research Maria T. Zuber said they
thought «a whole lot»
about targeted divestment, particularly whether to divest only from
coal, but ultimately concluded that any level of divestment would hinder the ability to work with the industry on future research initiatives.
What I
think the UK public wasn't told
about was the difficult nature of the remaining
coal resources.
While
coal supporters worried
about how this could impact future projects, some environmentalists
thought Ecology's decision would actually send a positive message to other companies.
Evidently, the legislature is having second
thoughts about a future without
coal, because this week both the House and the Senate moved legislation that would overturn the
coal ban.
I
think it's worth noting that even running on pure
coal - electricty, a plug - in hybrid electric today would have much lower emissions of greenhouse gasses than the average new car today running on gasoline, and
about the same emissions as a regular hybrid.
Don Blankenship, CEO of Massey Energy (NYSE: MEE) the fourth largest
coal producer in the United States
thinks Gore, Pelosi, Reid and environmentalists are crazy, atheist, communist Greeniacs who lie
about climate change and other environmental issues.
Warmist v Warmist: RealClimate.org's Pierrehumbert rebukes Hansen as «demonstrably wrong in his assertion that a Venus - type runaway greenhouse is a virtual certainty if we burn all the
coal» — Pierrehumbert: «I
think that Jim Hansen is demonstrably wrong in his assertion that a Venus - type runaway greenhouse is a virtual certainty if we burn all the
coal; he is right
about almost everything and I greatly admire him, but he is wrong
about this»
When we
think about climate change, we typically focus on factories,
coal and cars, but rarely on this fact.
Think about the layers as a sandwich: The
coal is the filling and the sedimentary layers are the bread.
So here's what I encourage you to do: Before you jump on the
coal - bashing - bandwagon,
think about the families that depend on it and the conveniences it's given us.
Given that three of the four largest U.S.
coal producers have or will soon emerge from bankruptcy, we hope that the people who have chosen to invest in, lend to, or manage this industry are
thinking realistically
about what they might face under a Clinton Administration.
As Wendy and I talked
about her struggle against the powerful
coal industry in the Hunter Valley, I
thought that Wendy and Edward Loure, the 2016 Goldman Environmental Prize winner from Africa, would have a lot to talk
about.
«There's still a bit of social perception
about replacing
coal with something else, but I
think that is finally hitting a tipping point where people are more receptive to it,» he said.
Some studies suggested that emissions from rapidly developing countries in Asia could be largely to blame — India and China, for example, are
thought to have ramped up their sulfur dioxide output by
about 60 percent over the decade through
coal burning.
During that time, the
coal, oil and gas conglomerate Koch Industries, ExxonMobil, and other companies lavished tens of millions of dollars on a network of
think tanks, advocacy groups and academic centers to sow doubt
about climate science and attack renewable energy.
Hankamer said: «When you
think about statements like «
coal is good for humanity» because we're pulling people out of poverty, it's just not true».
I
thought about that also, Wood doesn't burn as hot and I liked what Willis stated
about «more flame» produced by Wood than
Coal.
Everything You
Think You Know
About Coal in China Is Wrong Melanie Hart, Luke Bassett, and Blaine Johnson Center for American Progress May 2017
«You'll be talking
about things close to home and you should be
thinking about your air and your streets and your bay... but you also need to keep some corner of your mind open for what people everywhere else in the world are going to go through if that
coal makes it out of Montana and Wyoming and gets burnt, if that carbon gets poured into the atmosphere.»
I
think it's clear that the reason everyone's upset now is we're talking
about 100 + million tons of
coal that mostly can't find a market to be burned without WA ports.
A financial
think tank named Carbon Tracker has shown that
about 80 % of the world's
coal reserves can never be mined, yet the mining companies involved are in denial; they all seem to believe that their
coal deposits can be mined, it is other companies that will miss out.