But the big
trad published books quote from mixed reviews all the time.
You're right — although we strive to make our manuscripts as clean as possible, it's common for the occasional error to slip through (even in
trad published books).
It's like people don't look at
trad published books before putting theirs together.
Considering how many bad covers I see coming from
trad published books, do you hold them to the same standard?
The worse
trad published books are, the less likely it is anybody will be all that bothered by the typos and bad grammar in mine, the more likely they will just take them as a matter of course, something you'll now find in everything.
The first need dies away as all errata are weeded out (and there are plenty of
trad published books with errata that can't be bothered to clean up — I want my books to be better than that).
On the other hand, you have
trad published books being reviewed by trad media because the publishers — via ad dollars — support them.
As for spelling mistakes with indies, yeh, some but no more than I've found in
the trad published books.
But we can use
our trad published books to push sales for our indie books or vice versa.
Yes, on balance, there are probably more
trad published books that are better than indie books but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
And the Ilona Andrews self pub book has done well, but likely has not made as much as advances on Ilona Andrews
trad published books.
So for me to buy more
trad published books than self because I have limited money, not because of bias, makes logical sense and has NOTHING TO DO WITH BIAS, which obviously your comments were.
There are plenty of
trad published books that are more boring than watching paint dry or more vapid than a sparkly vampire.
The truth has always been that most
trad published books are damp squibs (speaking from experience), but self - publishing has allowed authors to give readers what they want to read instead of what agents and publishers think they want to read.
Another complaint I have is that they do have the «other readers who purchased this also bought this» feature (it is not as extensive as the Amazon one), but they only offer that feature on
Trad published books.
1) Can you explain to me the definition of
a trad published book?
This column caused me to go check on my first
trad published book — one that I got a very good advance for 11 years ago and pretty much figure I'll never see another penny from.
Not exact matches
Anne, there is no question that my humour column blog (www.melodiecampbell.com — forgive the mention) was instrumental in getting me that first
publishing contract at Orca
Books, a large Canadian
trad publisher.
We asked her a bunch of questions about what she found in regard to author income,
books on sale, and whether indie or
trad publishing is more likely to get a person to a living wage (which she defined as the U.S. average of $ 32,000 a year).
It doesn't matter that I've made as much on several of my
books as I would with a
trad publishing contract.
The difference is,
trad publishing houses will print
books, sell them to bookstores, then buy them back and pulp them if they don't sell (something you probably can't afford to do yourself).
(Besides fewer dollars per sale, a traditional
book has a literal shelf life; once your publisher wants to give that shelf space to their next writer, most of your
book's
trad -
published benefits are * dead * unless you get famous enough to re-impress them, and / or you understand how to get your rights back.
Kozlowski is the only person I know oblivious enough to include a graph of daily ebooks showing indie
books making up nearly 50 % of the US ebook market, and then in the very next paragraph babble about them only being a «drop in the bucket» relative to the
trad -
published side.
Are poets not authors, because
books of poetry typically have low sales, whether self -
published or
trad -
published?
If
book «x» is
trad published and successful enough to sell, let's say, 20,000
books (or whatever, just a number I grabbed at), and
book «y» is indy
published and sells the same amount, there is no doubt that the author of the indy
book is going to be FAR better off.
But I will say, last year, out of the
books I read a higher percentage of the «good» ones (generally) were self -
published... NOT
trad.
This is how I sold my first several
books and how many of my
trad - pubbed friends broke in to
publishing and I have long believed it's the best way to make contacts.
But none in the traditional
publishing arena, because, however lousy one reader or another may think a
trad - pubbed
book, at the very least SOMEBODY liked it besides the author.
As I've continued on my self -
publishing path, though, I've felt more frustration with what happens with my
trad - pubbed
books.
Building a solid author brand is the key to getting discovered and selling
books for a self -
published author (and even
trad -
published books).
However, we know they're elitists from things they've said in the past about self -
published books being of lesser quality compared to
trad pub
books (how ironic that now
trad pub authors are complaining more about their
books having so many typos and problems when printed).
If you wrote and
published just a little bit more and did some of these as self - pubbed
books at a lower price range to go along with your
trad pub deals, I'll bet you could make a lot more.
But one reason I won't be
publishing a lot more middle grade is because I also like to sell
books... and it's just very hard to do that in indie MG (or
trad - pub MG, to be honest — the market is simply smaller).
After the initial promotional push is over for
trad pubbed
books, advertising dollars go to the
publishing house's next new
books.
The trilogy was
trad published, but this
book he released indy.
Literary fiction never did well in indie
publishing because it depends on reviews from the big, well known journals like the New Yorker, the NYT
book review, the TLS, the Guardian, the NY Review of
Books, etc, and they only review
trad pub.
Have to disagree with some of the points on
trad publishing though - For the pros you neglected to mention that the publishers distribute your
book to all bookstores and e-books sites (hitting two marketing areas) A huge Pro considering most authors are battling to get their
book seen and traditional
publishing can do that.
And that the readers who are burned by a bad self
published book (despite resources like reviews & Goodreads)-- and suddenly seek out only
trad pubbed
books — are so few as to be negligible.
I think that many
books — self or indie or
trad published — skate very near the edge of what is acceptable or not.
I'm an indy - author since trying the
trad -
publishing route in 2005 - 06 with my first two
books (historical novels, which several agents looked at, and said regretfully that they were very good... but just not marketable.)
However, when I wrote The Experiencers (my first novel) and consulted on the subject of
trad versus indie
publishing with a hybrid author who has been writing
books since the 1970s, he made a good case for me to go indie.
And since the onus of marketing is vastly on me and my coauthor (something else many self -
publishing authors don't realize — they'll have to do the majority of
book promotion themselves regardless of how they
publish), there hasn't been a real advantage to going the
trad route.
Because I view all of that as found money, and because it highlights that even if you're not madly pursuing a
trad deal, good agents still have a valuable role they can play in the mix, even with indie
published books.
Yes, there is a great deal of dreck in self -
published books, but have you taken a really good look at
trad pubbed
books lately?
Most
trad published e-books are priced so high (often as high if not more than the printed
book) that they are pricing themselves out of the competition.
It dramatically helps
trad authors to buy their
books in the first week, and I want my favorite authors to keep
publishing.
Since we're making outlandish, provocative (and unsubstantiated) claims, I'll concur with the response that
trad published authors are lazy because they don't want to put in the time and effort to produce or market their
books.
It would also be great if Author Earnings could study this, and compare the money made by a
trad pub author in libraries vs an indie author's, and also the raw numbers of
books trad published in libraries vs indie
published.
Marketing sells
books and publishers aren't providing marketing, so authors
trad and self -
published alike must bear that huge cost of the business.
Frankly, my self -
published book prices look amazing next to my
trad -
published book prices on my Amazon author page.