Their move smacks as yet more anti-indie bias as many of the big trad pubs don't participate in KU.
And one of the biggest negative effects we've now created as indie authors is denigrating the value of ebooks — specifically indie ebooks, as you'll find the trad pubs don't do much, if any, free promo — in the eyes of the audience that buys them.
If so, that's a leg up, because it presumes
the trad pub did some diligence and the person's at least marginally competent.
Not exact matches
In terms of
trad pub vs indie — most
trad publishers don't want to publish collections of short fiction by unknowns, but you can submit to magazines and anthologies as well as self - publishing collections or using them for marketing.
I make my living from writing, actually, with a mix of indie and
trad pub stuff, but there are people who are far more skilled than me who don't, and people who stink who make a lot more.
Others aren't entirely satisfied with their
trad -
pub experience, but they feel it's preferable to setting out on their own and having to
do everything from editing to cover design to promotion on their own.
LK — A lot of agents and publishers are making
trad pubbed authors
do this stuff.
Books 2 and 3 in that «City of God» series are selling well and earning much better than they
did in their first editions as
trad -
pubbed novels.
At this point, I consider myself exclusively indie, but I
do still get royalty statements for my two
trad -
pubbed nonfiction books.
I went to an author talk by a
trad pubbed author and she had to buy a copy of her own book at the bookstore because her contract doesn't allow her to buy copies of her own book at a discount from the publisher.
Trad pub authors also used to make it very clear that they didn't consider ebooks «real books».
My
trad pubbed ones aren't and likely won't be (they don't relinquish the rights, but they never use them, as you're saying).
If you wrote and published just a little bit more and
did some of these as self -
pubbed books at a lower price range to go along with your
trad pub deals, I'll bet you could make a lot more.
With that goes risk — a DIY setup
doing a
trad -
pub style 10k hardback print run is a huge risk in terms of warehousing, returns etc..
But one reason I won't be publishing a lot more middle grade is because I also like to sell books... and it's just very hard to
do that in indie MG (or
trad -
pub MG, to be honest — the market is simply smaller).
And the Ilona Andrews self
pub book has
done well, but likely has not made as much as advances on Ilona Andrews
trad published books.
Don't get me wrong, guys — I'm not down on
trad pub, and I'm not one of the folks saying that «traditional publishing is doomed».
Literary fiction never
did well in indie publishing because it depends on reviews from the big, well known journals like the New Yorker, the NYT book review, the TLS, the Guardian, the NY Review of Books, etc, and they only review
trad pub.
If they have good product, many first time indie novelists can and
do make
trad pub advance numbers.
One con to the
trad pub method is that publishers don't mirror the wants of the actual market.
The promotion the
trad pubs take care of is the catalog and sales force to get your books into the brick and mortar distribution channel, which indies don't worry about.
But you don't mention the large
trad pub author graveyard.
For most
trad pub authors, you are on your own to
do most of the same promotion you'd
do as an indie.
[NOTE: of course, there are authors who
do some combination of the above, some books indie, some
trad -
pub, etc..
but you really have to
do all that marketing stuff or nobody buys your books —
trad pubbed or indie.
It's also worth noting that the author of the AE report, Hugh Howey, admitted in comments on Chuck Wendig's blog (fourth down) that actually he earned more from
trad pub last year that he
did from Amazon.
My latest idea: (1) query agents because I already wasted all of that time on those days I had writer's block researching agents & writing a synopsis, query letter, book proposal THEN (2) if I don't get any takers at
trad -
pub within a reasonable period, I self -
pub because I already wasted all of that time on those days I had writer's block researching book bloggers & reviewers, building two websites, making or editing videos & writing tweets, Facebook posts, blogs.
My work doesn't qualify for any awards; mystery conventions are all about the
trad pubbed authors (whose work I love), but shut out the indies.
It doesn't exist in Indie publishing,, and it doesn't exist in
Trad Pub.
Perhaps the article isn't sending the not - too - subtle message that indie authors suck, thus their reviews must be fake, or at least suspect, thus the only way to save yourself the grief is to buy
trad pub books, which have paid reviews from the shills who
do it for a living... er... never mind.
I have a friend
doing very very well in
trad pub.
I get that I'm supposed to be more upset about this paid review service, but what Locke
did doesn't look different to me than Kirkus Reviews (and, as you point out, other favor trades from
trad pubbing that are entrenched and go unremarked.)
I'd rather stay low and not even try to compete with
trad pub, because I don't need to.
I don't know if
trad publishing is the brass ring or not, but I know that I was always too frightened to self -
pub before because I was given to understand it would ruin my chances at a «real» publishing contract.
I have zero interest in being
Trad -
pubbed (especially in the current environment) but I don't want to see them go away.
I have my fav
trad pubbed authors as
do you, but I am not paying above 4.99 for an ebook.
That's true, T.A. I don't know what the
Trad Pub terms are.
Another question:
do you think the discounting by Amazon could be on purpose, because they noticed big publishing was practicing deep discount conditions with Amazon's discounts, and Amazon knew the more discounting it would
do, the more
trad pub and hybrid authors would be screwed, and tempted to become only self - published authors?
Joe's initiative is great, but if we could inform our readers that the money they spend on taxes going to libraries is practically only devoted to
trad pub books and ebooks, and that this doesn't reflect EXACTLY, for instance the indie market share of the first retailer in the world, maybe things would advance a little bit in the right direction.
But that being said, please, if any new writers *
do * go through
trad -
pub (and this isn't for you, Diane, because I know you're a pro at all this and have been for longer than me), read the contract carefully and know * exactly * what you're signing on for.
Sometimes they» l fuss about the
trad pub prices, but don't seem to realize why there is a price different in my series.
:) I've dropped out of my
trad -
pub email loops (which, in retrospect, is a pity because that's an interesting perspective I've lost) so I don't know how widespread this practice is at Penguin / RH, but I'm guessing it's getting pretty darn prevalent.
She wrote for
trad pubs for years and I got the sense from her that not being in the block buster category (though
doing quite well by most standards!)
Or
do hybrid authors appear to be
doing better than
trad pub authors because the former outnumbers the latter (this is basic multiplication)...
I
do know that you've been on the
trad -
pub path, and I think your women's fiction / romance books are the kind that will
do well there.
Those books started as
trad -
pub too, but now I'm so many years into self -
pubbing it that I don't give it a second thought.
I have the same caliber of people
doing my editing and cover design as any
trad -
pubbed writer.
Did these authors» books change from when they were self -
pubbed to when they became
trads?
Serials aren't new (Charles Dickens was
doing them back in the day), but they are seeing a resurgence due to the ease / low - cost of ebook publishing (in both self -
pub and
trad -
pub; see John Scalzi's Human Division, Rashelle Workman's Blood and Snow, and Platt & Wright's Yesterday's Gone).
If it's not what it's cracked up to be, I don't have to go
trad -
pubbed the next time.