Dr. Curry, Surely it would seem, a priori, that since climate modeling treats a different regime of fluid dynamics modeling than these you mention — with different assumptions, scales, and approximations — it is quite possible that there are problems with certain
types of climate models without invalidating «all gas phase fluid dynamics modelling».
There's now strong agreement on several of the weather and climate patterns that future Arctic sea ice loss will create, provided that the right
types of climate models are put on the task — models that capture the interplay among atmosphere, oceans, and sea ice.
Climateprediction.net runs experiments using 2
types of climate models — Global Climate Models and Regional Climate Models.
There are many different
types of climate models.
My response to the claim by Hans von Storch regarding his proposed 4th
type of climate modeling application is
Not exact matches
«This is true for both
types of models — those driven with observed sea surface temperatures, and the coupled
climate models that simulate evolution
of both the atmosphere and ocean and are thus not expected to yield the real - world evolution
of the PDO.
Which
of these effects dominates depends on the
type, distribution and altitude
of the clouds — difficult for
climate models to predict.
This
type of modeling of variation in genetic makeup represents an important advance in understanding how
climate change may impact biodiversity.
Seeing himself as a strict empiricist whose hurricane predictions are based on decades
of «crunching huge piles
of data,» Gray is convinced that the atmosphere is too complicated to be captured in computer simulations, at one point fulminating that «any experienced meteorologist that believes in a
climate model of any
type should have their head examined.»
Singer and his co-author, Katerina Michaelides, addressed the problem by creating a
model that enables researchers to investigate different
types of climate change.
The latter
type of sensors, Robock notes, could directly measure the size distribution
of aerosols, which could help researchers better
model their effects on
climate.
Because the
climate model already accounts for the amount
of the sun's energy blocked by different
types of airborne particles, it was not a stretch to estimate the particles» effects on solar energy.
His
model also makes specific predictions about the effect these clouds will have on the planet's
climate and the
types of information that future telescopes, like the James Webb Space Telescope, will be able to gather.
The principle crops in the region uncovered include cereals such as corn, rice, and spring wheat in a region known to be the main grain area
of China (26)[Fig. 1, with brown dots in denoting at least 50 % total coverage by crops according to the land cover
type yearly
climate modeling grid (CMG) datasets with 0.05 ° resolution from the NASA Land Processes Distributed Active Archive Center (LP DAAC).].
What's Next: PNNL scientists are using a regional
model at a much finer scale than conventional
climate models to understand the processes that determine the time - scales
of MJO and the roles
of various
types of clouds in its energy cycle.
The PNNL team is currently applying the approach, which grew out
of the Aerosol
Climate Initiative, to other types of simulations, so that future high - resolution climate models will solve the mystery surrounding aerosol - cloud intera
Climate Initiative, to other
types of simulations, so that future high - resolution
climate models will solve the mystery surrounding aerosol - cloud intera
climate models will solve the mystery surrounding aerosol - cloud interactions.
This
type of systems perspective is critical to better understanding the interaction
of aerosols and clouds and incorporating these processes into
climate modeling frameworks.
It's improbable for that
type of development
model to exist in the form
of disc - or cartridge - based releases in the game industry's current
climate, and D3 hasn't moved its business
model into the downloadable realm beyond a few token releases.
For instance, dynamic vegetation
models predict the vegetation
types as a function
of climate.
model of climate that is able to capture events
of D - O
type the hypothesis
of non-chaotic
climate amounts to wishful thinking.
There clearly is a problem with the
models and the IPCC -
type understanding
of the human - and natural -
climate forcings and feedbacks.
An important point with reanalyses, is that the
model used doesn't change over the time spanned by the analysis, but reanalyses are generally used with caution for
climate change studies because the number and
type of observations being fed into the computer
model changes over time.
In other words, they fail the most basic
type of test imaginable; and in the words
of Li et al., this finding suggests that «global
climate models should better integrate the biological, chemical, and physical components
of the earth system.»
The «Feynman»
type of «physics» is telling us that it hasn't warmed in 15 years, despite unabated human GHG emissions, suggesting that maybe those GHGs really aren't the «
climate control knob» that the
models using the «agenda driven physics» were predicting.
Syllabus: Lecture 1: Introduction to Global Atmospheric
Modelling Lecture 2:
Types of Atmospheric and
Climate Models Lecture 3: Energy Balance
Models Lecture 4: 1D Radiative - Convective
Models Lecture 5: General Circulation
Models (GCMs) Lecture 6: Atmospheric Radiation Budget Lecture 7: Dynamics
of the Atmosphere Lecture 8: Parametrizations
of Subgrid - Scale Physical Processes Lecture 9: Chemistry
of the Atmosphere Lecture 10: Basic Methods
of Solving
Model Equations Lecture 11: Coupled Chemistry -
Climate Models (CCMs) Lecture 12: Applications
of CCMs: Recent developments
of atmospheric dynamics and chemistry Lecture 13: Applications
of CCMs: Future Polar Ozone Lecture 14: Applications
of CCMs: Impact
of Transport Emissions Lecture 15: Towards an Earth System
Model
Is Trenberth saying that we are making too many
Type II errors when we don't judge these
models incapable
of making useful predictions about future
climate?
Because all four participating integrated assessment
models, and all receiving
climate models, use different characterizations and definitions
of land use
types and transitions, a harmonization step was necessary.
To figure out what works best, we need to be able to
model the physics
of different strategies, in different
types of cities and in different
climates.
On the question
of hurricanes, the theoretical arguments that more energy and water vapor in the atmosphere should lead to stronger storms are really sound (after all, storm intensity increases going from pole toward equator), but determining precisely how human influences (so including GHGs [greenhouse gases] and aerosols, and land cover change) should be changing hurricanes in a system where there are natural external (solar and volcanoes) and internal (e.g., ENSO, NAO [El Nino - Southern Oscillation, North Atlantic Oscillation]-RRB- influences is quite problematic — our
climate models are just not good enough yet to carry out the
types of sensitivity tests that have been done using limited area hurricane
models run for relatively short times.
There is a straight - forward way to derive a useful
type of carbon budget directly from a
model forecast
of future
climate.
This
type of analysis for
climate models?
And the
type of comparison they make in the paper you linked to is * not * comparing statistics
of the
models with statistics
of the real
climate, but looking for * actual correlations * between individual
model realizations and the actual
climate — that's completely counter to the discussion we've just been having about chaos and probability.
Climate models can't predict all
of these
types of things, but can be, and have been, used to evaluate their effects.
«And the
type of comparison they make in the paper you linked to is * not * comparing statistics
of the
models with statistics
of the real
climate»
The problem with clouds in
climate models are
of two different
types: the first is a microphysics / chemistry one, regarding the physics and chemistry
of how a population
of cloud particles interacts with aerosol particles and evolves with time.
who conclude that «Simply put, the current suite
of climate models were not developed to provide the level
of accuracy required for adaptation -
type analysis.»
However,
type 4 downscaling, while providing the illusion
of higher skill because
of the high spatial resolution
climate fields, has never shown skill at prediction beyond what is already there in the parent global
model.
Finally, I reiterate my request for you and Jason to present papers that document a skill
of the multi-decadal (
Type 4) regional
climate models to predict (in hindcast) the observed CHANGES in
climate statistics over this time period.
Does the downscaling (in this case
Type 4 downscaling) provide a more accurate result
of climate variables requested by the impacts communities than can be achieved by interpolating the global parent
model prediction to the finer grid and landscape?
Many other examples
of this
type of test can be found in chapter 8 (
Climate Models and Their Evaluation)
of IPCC / AR4, which assesses both
model successes AND
model failures.
Taking into account heating and cooling loads for different building
types in different
climates, they
modeled the building energy demand with electrochromic windows for a wide range
of different transmitting and blocking performance targets.
You may get some good answers by your approach
of contesting the modelers, but what's really needed is a new
type of systematic presentation
of the whole field
of climate modeling.
For instance, Shackley et al., 1999 surveyed
climate modellers about one
type of fudge factor, called a «flux adjustment», which was used by many
of the
climate models in the 1990s.
Importantly, the changes in cereal yield projected for the 2020s and 2080s are driven by GHG - induced
climate change and likely do not fully capture interannual precipitation variability which can result in large yield reductions during dry periods, as the IPCC (Christensen et al., 2007) states: ``... there is less confidence in the ability
of the AOGCMs (atmosphere - ocean general circulation
models) to generate interannual variability in the SSTs (sea surface temperatures)
of the
type known to affect African rainfall, as evidenced by the fact that very few AOGCMs produce droughts comparable in magnitude to the Sahel droughts
of the 1970s and 1980s.»
Which
of these effects dominates depends on the
type, distribution and altitude
of the clouds — difficult for
climate models to predict.
In terms
of longer timescales (decadal to century), once the focus becomes regional rather than global, historical and paleo data becomes more useful than global
climate model simulations (no matter what
type of «right - scaling» methods are attempted).
But anyway, there is a lot
of difference in
type of feedback and known / unknown influences between solar and GHGs for a change in forcing... Thus one - sensitivity - for - all as assumed and implemented in the
climate models seems a little questionable.
The
Model Act drafted by Philip Sutton, the 40 - page «
Climate Emergency (Restructuring & Mobilisation) Act», is an example
of the
type of legislation that would be required in order to declare a
Climate Emergency and establish the mechanisms necessary for an orderly and effective restructuring
of the economy.
JIGSAW (GEO) is designed to produce very high - quality Delaunay triangulations and Voronoi tessellations appropriate for unstructured finite - volume / element
type models of planetary
climate dynamics.
Why isn't a TCR
type of simulation, but instead using actual history and 200 year projected GHG levels in the atmosphere, that would produce results similar to a TCR simulation (at least for the AGW temp increase that would occur when the CO2 level is doubled) and would result in much less uncertainty than ECS (as assessed by
climate model dispersions), a more appropriate metric for a 300 year forecast, since it takes the
climate more than 1000 years to equilibrate to the hypothesized ECS value, and we have only uncertain methods to check the computed ECS value with actual physical data?