If the record is wrong, a new reconstruction of old proxy data will carry the known
uncertainties of the temperature record.
Not exact matches
The IPCC [the United Nations» Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] took a shortcut on the actual scientific
uncertainty analysis on a lot
of the issues, particularly the
temperature records.
The NRC asked the committee to summarize current scientific information on the
temperature record for the past two millennia, describe the main areas
of uncertainty and how significant they are, describe the principal methodologies used and any problems with these approaches, and explain how central is the debate over the paleoclimate
temperature record to the state
of scientific knowledge on global climate change.
These divergences suggest that there is still a lot
of uncertainty surrounding satellite
temperature records that needs to be resolved, as the range
of reasonable assumptions for corrections can lead to large differences in results.
If Mann had in fact found a clear signal then a lot
of uncertainty about the
temperature record would have been reduced.
Mike Wallace's talk was about the «National Research Council Report on the «Hockey Stick Controversy»... The charge to the committee, was «to summarize current information on the
temperature records for the past millennium, describe the main areas
of uncertainty and how significant they are, describe the principal methodologies used and any problems with these approaches, and explain how central is the debate over the paleoclimate
record within the overall state
of knowledge on global climate change.»
I am afraid that the climate science community still has a very poor understanding
of «errors» and»
uncertainties» WRT to historical
temperature data
records.
Other factors also contribute to smoothing the proxy
temperature signals contained in many
of the
records we used, such as organisms burrowing through deep - sea mud, and chronological
uncertainties in the proxy
records that tend to smooth the signals when compositing them into a globally averaged reconstruction.
S1 which removed alternatively (a) all tree - ring data or (b) 7 additional long - term proxy
records associated with greater
uncertainties or potential documented biases (showing the
temperature reconstruction was robust to removal
of either
of these datasets), we here removed both data sets simultaneously from the predictor network (Fig.
Regarding the Hockey Stick
of IPCC 2001 evidence now indicates, in my view, that an IPCC Lead Author working with a small cohort
of scientists, misrepresented the
temperature record of the past 1000 years by (a) promoting his own result as the best estimate, (b) neglecting studies that contradicted his, and (c) amputating another's result so as to eliminate conflicting data and limit any serious attempt to expose the real
uncertainties of these data.
Previous large natural oscillations are important to examine: however, 1) our data isn't as good with regards to external forcings or to historical
temperatures, making attribution more difficult, 2) to the extent that we have solar and volcanic data, and paleoclimate
temperature records, they are indeed fairly consistent with each other within their respective
uncertainties, and 3) most mechanisms
of internal variability would have different fingerprints: eg, shifting
of warmth from the oceans to the atmosphere (but we see warming in both), or simultaneous warming
of the troposphere and stratosphere, or shifts in global
temperature associated with major ocean current shifts which for the most part haven't been seen.
To elaborate slightly on my above point, the cause / effect relationship between CO2 and
temperature derived from data spanning more than 400 million years, and operating within
uncertainty margins that can be quantified with reasonable probability requires the existence
of a prominent CO2 signal in the
record of the past half century.
The IPCC has given inadequate attention to solar variability and its
uncertainties and it has WAY discounted the impact
of the major multi-decadal and longer ocean oscillations on interpreting the 20th century
temperature record.
The range
of uncertainty for 2005
temperatures overlaps with that
of 1998, which means the two years are vying closely for the position
of «warmest year on
record.»
If Mann had in fact found a clear signal then a lot
of uncertainty about the
temperature record would have been reduced.
Our results include our best estimate for the global
temperature change and our estimates
of the
uncertainties in the
record.
Increased understanding
of uncertainties in radiosonde and satellite
records makes assessment
of causes
of observed trends in the upper troposphere less confident than an assessment
of overall atmospheric
temperature changes.
independence
of both the measurement errors and the
uncertainties in satellite, radiosonde, and surface - based
temperature records, which lends greater confidence to an assessment based on all three measurement categories than to an assessment based on any one
of them in isolation.
Headlines like «2014: The Most Dishonest Year on
Record» have been posted on climate skeptic blogs, such as Watts Up With That, and a commentator for the popular British newspaper The Daily Mail all but accused NASA
of lying to the press and the public about global
temperatures, despite the open discussion
of uncertainties both in NASA's press materials and during a press conference with audio that is publicly accessible.
As a requirement, the statistical
uncertainty associated with the effect
of the adjustments on the regional
temperature record needs to be quantified and documented.
Pat Frank says: June 26, 2014 at 5:09 pm «This will mean the «infilling»
of any specific
temperature record will be subject to a large
uncertainty.
This will mean the «infilling»
of any specific
temperature record will be subject to a large
uncertainty.
Both because we felt that NOAA got a lot
of unfair criticism, and also because their new results did produce some real scientific
uncertainties; not only is their new
temperature record warmer than their old one, it's also a bit warmer than the UK's Hadley Center
record, which is probably the most commonly used ocean
temperature record,» Hausfather says.
As I see it from my analyses the questions remaining to be asked about the
temperature instrumental
record involve how well we capture and understand the
uncertainty involved in adjusting
temperatures, and further knowing the limitations
of those methods currently being used.
Following Steven McIntyre on tree rings, Anthony Watts or Paul Homewood on
temperature records, Judith Curry on
uncertainty, Willis Eschenbach on clouds or ice cores, or Andrew Montford on media coverage has been one
of the delights
of recent years for those interested in science.
True in the sense that even though the average
temperature reconstruction «makes sense» there is zero formal error estimation
of either the interpolation error
of the global surface
temperature reconstruction, or the quadrature thereof and hence the
uncertainty in the
temperature record is completely unknown (save maybe sound extreme bounds that one could probably work out on a napkin).
Second, as pointed out above, the problems with the satellite data have been adjusted and now «show warming rates that are similar to those
of the surface
temperature record and are consistent within their respective
uncertainties»
It's especially unclear given the huge
uncertainties looming over climate models and the accuracy
of the global
temperature record.
Hence, the data sparseness during the early period
of record is the major source
of underlying
uncertainty in the surface
temperature estimates.
the committee will summarize current scientific information on the
temperature record for the past 1,000 - 2,000 years, describe the main areas
of uncertainty and how significant they are, describe the principal methodologies used and any problems with these approaches, and explain how central the debate over the paleoclimate
temperature record is to the state
of scientific knowledge on global climate change.
If you superimpose any
of the
temperature records on top
of Mann's hockey stick graph, including the CET, then you can see that, within the stated
uncertainty limits, there is no disagreement at all.
I would nevertheless be interested in Mike's opinion: would a 1C global cooling (with a huge
uncertainty) between the extremes
of the MWP and the LIA be more or less coherent with the
temperature record?
New analyses
of balloon - borne and satellite measurements
of lower - and mid-tropospheric
temperature show warming rates that are similar to those
of the surface
temperature record and are consistent within their respective
uncertainties, largely reconciling a discrepancy noted in the TAR.
Attributing the 1900 - 1940 changes in this SST / Global anomaly difference, you need to be wary
of the increasing
uncertainty in the SST & Global
temperature anomalies for earlier parts
of the
temperature record.
By fixating on a minor detail, you have glossed right over all the real difficulties and challenges in working out the probable error range for early
temperature records, which include
uncertainty about the properties
of the thermometers used and gaps in the
records.