So the basic christian story of some alleged but never proven god impregnating a virgin with himself so that his son can die and take
upon it the sins of all men is not true?
We should add at this point that even as the earth shares in the ruin attendance
upon the sin of humanity (cf. Gen. 3.17 - 18), so the world «waits» for the apotheosis of humanity in which it too shall be renewed and glorified (cf., Rom.
Not exact matches
For if God did not spare angels when they
sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains
of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald
of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood
upon the world
of the ungodly; if by turning the cities
of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example
of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct
of the wicked (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day
of judgment, and especially those who indulge in the lust
of defiling passion and despise authority.
but it's not about the newborn babies being killed because they
sinned but because
of something bigger that displeased God, and his wrath was
upon the entire people for the
sins of those conscious
of their choices, and because
of that, it was
upon the infants also.
Sin against God and nature continues to beget misery
upon the human family until we each make a concerted effort to lead lives worthy
of a human being made in the image and likeness
of their Creator.
This was a free decision by an adult to give his life and take
upon himself the consequence
of sin to set you free.
As John the Baptist said
upon seeing Jesus: «Behold, the Lamb
of God who takes away the
sins of the world!»
Mormonism teaches that Jesus suffered for our
sins in the Garden
of Gethsemane, providing personal salvation (which may mean exaltation to godhood) conditional
upon our obedience to the laws and ordinances
of the LDS gospel.
Takeaway for me is that the pain / suffering / rejection we experience in this life does not equal rejection by God — even if it does serve as a chastisement / correction for
sin / failure in our lives — it reveals God's love and personal concern for our development, reminding us
of our mortality and need to rely
upon him... In short, the wounds / scars we receive are God's way
of branding / choosing us as his own...
Christ is special because he was born to take
upon his being the
sins of those who were and then were also and
of times yet to come!
My salvation is not
of works but purely
of Grace as bestowed
upon me through the knowledge that my
sins are forgiven through the perfect work
of Christ.
And then Jesus came
upon his disciples and said, «What's this shit I've been hearing about me being a human sacrifice for your
sins!!? Who in the goddamned hell came up with that Neanderthal bullshit!!!? What are we, living in the fucking Stone Age!!!!? Blood sacrifice!!!!!!!!!!!?? Are you fucking kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??? Listen, brethren, thou can takest that pathetic, immoral, sadistic, evil, sickening, disgusting pile
of Cro - Magnon donkey shit and shove it straight up thy fucking asses!!!»
It would call
upon politicians and businesspeople to repent
of their involvement in the institutionalized
sin of economic injustice.
The sea
of sin evaporated away
upon the holiness
of God's sun.
Yet God covers our actions in His own blood, so that every time God looks like a lying, murderous, baby - killing, woman - raping bastard, it is because God has taken the burden
of human
sin upon His shoulders, and borne it away
upon His body into death.
He simply took the
sins of the world
upon Himself so that He could conquer over
sin, death, and the devil by bearing them all into the grave.
He founded his plan «before the foundation
of the world» (Ephesians 1:4, & cf, Jn 1, Philippians 2)
upon Lord Jesus, «the first born
of creation» (Colossians 1), born from Mary conceived without
sin.
But do really believe that Paul believed that the «judgement
of God» were the natural things that come
upon us as a result
of sin.
This is the kind
of love we are talking about — not that we once
upon a time loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a sacrifice to clear away our
sins and the damage they've done to our relationship with God.
Paul is * not * saying all
sinned «in Adam» — i.e. it is * not *
sin that is passed from generation to generation (that is, that the taint
of sin was added to / imposed
upon our human constitution).
I would say say that the «judgment»
of God on
sin in Romans 2:3 is the natural consequences that come
upon us in life as a result
of sin.
First, when Jesus «became
sin» and died
upon the cross, I tend to get the visual
of Jesus acting as a spiritual sponge....
It was so that He could defeat
sin, death, and devil by taking all the violence
upon Himself without retaliating in any way, but forgiving and reconciling instead, thus showing the powerlessness and emptiness
of the way
of violence.
God answered this vital question by sending His Son, Jesus, as the fulfillment
of the most violent religious writings, to show us that He had nothing to do with the violence, but was instead dying along with us in the midst
of the violence, taking our
sin and suffering
upon Himself, bearing our guilt and shame in His own being, all for the sake
of those He loved.
Again, this was not because He is mad or angry at us, and transferred this anger
upon Jesus, but rather, He did this because
of His great love for us, and because He desired to see us freed from
sin and death.
Not heredity but corporate personality explains Yahweh's far - flung punishments
upon even the great - grandchildren
of his enemies; it was the whole tribe that
sinned in any member's
sin and it was the whole tribe that suffered.
According to Anselm, God found a way
of escape by allowing Jesus to take
upon himself all the
sins of the world.
Despite the fact that most
of us grew up believing that God could not look
upon sin (see my thoughts on that over here), it was not God who hid Himself from Adam but the other way around.
Telling people they are
sinning for being LGBT or for having an abortion or using birth control or trying to impose your specific set
of beliefs
upon others in the public square is not a good thing and certainly doesn't show that you have a clue as to the meaning
of the word respect.
Is it not normal, then, that he should be smitten and that he should bear
upon himself this uncleanness, the mark
of his
sin, the sign
of his violence?
But I think there is some risk that it might be misconstrued so as to obscure certain truths which I believe to be fundamental: that the Passion is the moment at which that complete oneness with the Father which is the unique and all - pervading characteristic
of the life
of Jesus is paradoxically manifested; that it is at that moment, above all, that Jesus discloses to us God himself in action; that the judgement passed on Jesus and the testing brought to bear
upon him are a judgement and a testing exercised (
of course, within the permissive will
of God) by evil men, or, to use mythological language, by the devil; and that the judgement
of God pronounced at Calvary is that which Christ's accepting love passes
upon those men, and
upon ourselves as sharers in their sinfulness, by showing up their
sin in all its hatefulness.
As I understand it, Christ both took our punishment (legal requirement) and absorbed the full force
of sin upon Himself (Christus Victor).
Terrible Queen Jezebel
of the Old Testament was a warning to women in my circles, the death knell for any woman in leadership, carrying the accusations and implications
of female bitterness, manipulation, emasculation, power, idol - worshipping, hyper sexuality, layers
upon layers
of pet
sins encapuslated in one woman's ancient story
of Israel.
I am so sorry I can not believe,» and then appeals to us for pity because he can not believe, but when the Holy Spirit touches a man's heart, he no longer looks
upon unbelief as a mark
of intellectual superiority; he does not look
upon it as a mere misfortune; he sees it as the most daring, decisive and damning
of all
sins and is overwhelmed with a sense
of his awful guilt in that he had not believed on the name
of the only begotten Son
of God.
What about the triumph
of holiness that is proud to say: «Look not
upon our
sins, but on the faith
of your Church»?
When God looks violent in the Old Testament, it is not because He is violent, but because He is taking the
sins of the world
upon Himself, just as Jesus did on the cross.
When I read you say this as your possible resolution: «When God looks violent in the Old Testament, it is not because He is violent, but because He is taking the
sins of the world
upon Himself, just as Jesus did on the cross.»
The crucifying impact
of sin on the whole human race will inevitably have a devastating impact
upon the sacred humanity
of Christ precisely because he is - by right, vocation and very ontology - ourfinal and plenary union with God.
The effects
upon England
of Original
Sin, the 16th century Reformation's denial
of Christ's bestowal
of authority
upon the Pope, and the 1960's reduction
of the meaning
of sex, have been cultural «atomic explosions» with massive fall out.
God's wrath is poured out
upon humanity in the fact that by the very zeal we exert to do our duty and excel in our vocation, we contribute to the dynamics
of sin and death in the world.
This is the superbia, or pride, which the medieval church looked
upon as the worst
of the seven deadly
sins, and which exponents
of the neo-orthodox school, notably Reinhold Niebuhr in America, continually remind us is the root
of sin.
What so you mean by God «is taking the
sins of the world
upon Himself»?
When Ezra cries, «Thou our God hast punished us less than our iniquities deserve,» (Daniel 9:16) or a prayer in the Book
of Nehemiah says, «Thou art just in all that is come
upon us; for thou hast dealt truly, but we have done wickedly,» (Nehemiah 9:33) or Daniel exhausts tautology in confessing, «We have
sinned, and have dealt perversely, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled,» (Daniel 9:5) we see the self - accusation which resulted from the acceptance
of national misfortune not as an evidence
of Yahweh's weakness in protecting his people but as proof
of his inflexible righteousness.
Throughout the Bible the belief in God's supreme goodness and holiness carries with it the note
of divine judgment
upon sin.
The Christian approach would ideally include the desire to uncover and probe the goodness, beauty and divine purpose
of creation, as well as an emphasis
upon the pre-eminence
of love among men and the dire effects
of sin on creation in general (see Romans 8.22) and on men in particular.
On the cross, Jesus shows us what kind
of God Yahweh is, and how Jesus came to rule and reign, not by might, nor by power, but by self - sacrificial service and taking the
sins and guilt and blame
of the entire world
upon Himself.
Too often we focus
upon the depth
of our repentance rather than the depth
of Gods love in rescuing us all, I read recently that repentance is not as much about saying sorry and turning from
sin as it is recognizing what it cost God to save us and that he was the one who took the initiative and not us.
By taking the
sin of the entire world
upon Himself, Jesus revealed that this is what Yahweh has always been doing throughout time and history.
«Jesus Christ, our Lord and God, when he was about to offer himself once on the altar
of the Cross to God the Father, making intercession by means
of his death, so that he might gain there an eternal redemption, since his priesthood was not to be extinguished by death, at the last Supper, «on the night that he was handed over», left to his beloved Spouse the Church a visible sacrifice, such as the nature
of man requires, by which the bloody sacrifice achieved once
upon the Cross might be represented and its memory endure until the end
of the age, and its saving power be applied to the remission
of those
sins which are daily committed by us.»
In as much as Alpha even mentions our human nature the emphasis is the protestant one
upon the image
of God being «almost eradicated by
sin».