Also,
warmer ocean temps seem to be associated with the thicker ice sheets.
Thankfully,
the warming ocean temps and acidification seems to be better tolerated by the reefs of Indonesia, for unknown reasons.
Not exact matches
As I understand this article, the decrease in
temp gradient in the cool skin layer is what allows increases in atmospheric CO2 concentrations to further
warm the
oceans.
The only argument I've seen along those lines is the one that claims that the vast majority of the CO2 humans are emitting is sequestered in soils,
oceans, etc, or used by plants, but that «naturally»
warmer temps result in the release of sequestered CO2.
Given that the other important variables (sea surface
temps, depth of the
warm layer, and atmospheric moisture) are all predicted to increase, it seems hard to make the claim that tropical cyclones will be unchanged, just as it seemed unwise to claim that Lyman et al's «Recent cooling of the upper
oceans» meant that climate models had fatal flaws.
Chris V. CO2 goes up,
temp goes down,
oceans cool, sea levels decrease, arctic sea ice is within 1979 -2000 mean, AGW theory of catastrophic
warming is B U S T... Even the fraudulent manipulation of the GISS data set does not change that.
Henry@Willis I think to explain the phenomena of why the
oceans do not get
warmer than 30 - 33C When the top layer of molecules of the water in the reservoir reaches a certain
temp., namely the boiling point at ruling pressure, it simply evaporates and thereby it cools the remaining liquid in the reservoir.
If there was a one off event such as an undersea eruption that
warmed the
ocean enough to leave a.5 c rise on the
temp record, should your
warming due to CO2 graph, restart at a point.5 c higher and then continue its climb?
Which conveniently ignores Science News» Oct. 5th article: Global
warming hiatus tied to cooler
temps in Pacific, which states «The recent pause in global
warming has resulted from cooling in the tropical Pacific
Ocean, new simulations find.
Taking water out of this, i.e., leaving the practically 100 % nitrogen and oxygen
ocean of gas, this blanket
warming would give a
temp of 67 °C.
With the Earth known as the «water planet» because of over 70 % of the globe covered by deep
oceans,
warmer temps directly result in more evaporation of the
ocean water into the air - clouds.
Warmer oceans in winter lead to higher winter
temps moreso than higher summer
temps at the CET latitude.
Source: press release for Myers et al., 2015 Sea Levels 2 - 4 m Higher Until ~ 5,000 Years Ago Imply Surface
Temps Were At Least 5 °C
Warmer According to the accepted (IPCC) formula for calculating the contribution of
ocean warming (thermal expansion) to sea level rise upon reaching equilibrium, every additional degrees Celsius of surface warmth yields -LSB-...]
What does this tell us about the underlying forcing causing the
warmer temps duirng periods in which the atmosphere is in general getting less energy from the
ocean?
The study apparently (yet presumably, because the article really doesn't say what the study found other than that it proves global
warming) shows a steady rise in
ocean temp.
THERE HAS BEEN A
WARMING TREND FROM THE 70s THRU THE LATE 90s,... accompanied by other changes tied to a warming trend (record low arctic sea ice extent & thickness, retreating glaciers, retreating snow lines, warming ocean surface temps, increases in sea height, de-alkalinizing o
WARMING TREND FROM THE 70s THRU THE LATE 90s,... accompanied by other changes tied to a
warming trend (record low arctic sea ice extent & thickness, retreating glaciers, retreating snow lines, warming ocean surface temps, increases in sea height, de-alkalinizing o
warming trend (record low arctic sea ice extent & thickness, retreating glaciers, retreating snow lines,
warming ocean surface temps, increases in sea height, de-alkalinizing o
warming ocean surface
temps, increases in sea height, de-alkalinizing
oceans).
As 34F
ocean below, this would lead to a 5 deg average
temp increase in the measurements for the arctic area when in fact the
ocean below hasn't
warmed.
That
temp rise then causes something to outgas CO2 (possibly
oceans, but maybe not) that then raises the
temp even more (along with other GHG that feedback and enhance the
warming), which causes more outgasing.
If the
Ocean slowly cools with radiant heat loss to space via
warmer Arctic waters and a discernible decrease in atmospheric
temps the last 1.5 years since the Super El Nino of 2016, then there should be more atmospheric CO2 uptake by cooling
oceans.
Since the millenium, exceptionally strong storms have prevailed globally,
oceans are covering once habitable islands, Beijing is suffocating, 100 year and 150 year floods are frequent, major aquifers have been depleted (the Salton Sea is drying up), weather patterns have changed drastically, winters in the S.E.states are definitely experiencing drastically
warmer averages (some areas only 10 - 14 nights of freezing
temp vs. 1970 28 - 30 nights of freezing
temp).
Climate Depot Analysis: «There have been at least seven separate explanations for the standstill in global
warming» — 1) Low Solar Activity; 2) Oceans Ate Warming; 3) Chinese Coal Use; 4) Montreal Protocol; 5) Readjusted past temps to claim «pause» never existed 6) Volcanoes 7) Decline in Wate
warming» — 1) Low Solar Activity; 2)
Oceans Ate
Warming; 3) Chinese Coal Use; 4) Montreal Protocol; 5) Readjusted past temps to claim «pause» never existed 6) Volcanoes 7) Decline in Wate
Warming; 3) Chinese Coal Use; 4) Montreal Protocol; 5) Readjusted past
temps to claim «pause» never existed 6) Volcanoes 7) Decline in Water Vapor
I hate to see what's gonna happen when
oceans are no longer driving
warmer temps.
I can't speak for the
ocean temps (I only walk on the beach, I don't go in), but August in Connecticut was very pleasant but not exceptionally
warm.
What confuddles me is this... why are both the poles showing increasing ice coverage if the
ocean surface
temps are so
warm?
the heat / energy has to go somewhere... is it any wonder the surface
temps, that boundary layer between
ocean / air is
warm?
NASA's «GISS»
temp uses land and
ocean - based thermometers which measure «different parts of the system [UHI affected parking lots, asphalt heat sinks, AC exhaust air vents], different signal to noise ratio [we bias toward
warm stations], different structural uncertainty [we «homogenise» our data set to cool the past and
warm the present to fit the global
warming narrative].»
Warmer air temperatures with
ocean temperatures lagging would result in La Nina's having a relatively larger spread between water and air
temps producing a stronger effect even with weak La Nina's.
Also don't understand how surface
temps can be used to calculate global
warming or cooling when the vast majority of climate heat is stored in the
oceans.
It has been
warming at TOA by 250 ZJ over the last 50 years but the
ocean mean
temp has only increased by 0.044 degrees in that 50.
Guess all the
oceans died during the Medieval
Warm Period and the rest of the 95 % of the earth's history when
temps were higher.
I think this common sense fact has been used by climate scientist to announce: «Yes there is a pause in surface
temp rise but the
oceans are still
warming, without adding.»
CO2 does not
warm the
oceans independent of the indirect downward longwave radiation mechanism (increased skin
temp forces a «deepening» of the convective
temp gradient) and the direct method of surface layer mixing.
I thought the idea was that an increase in the atmospheric radiative forcing from above would
warm the skin layer a bit, reducing the
temp gradient to the water layer below, thus impeding the transport of absorbed solar energy up and back out of the
ocean, and thus making it pile up to increase OHC.
If we want to see if YOUR mechanism for
ocean warming is working as proposed, then we need to look for a reducing
temp gradient across the surface layer.
If it takes over 100 - 200 years, as some estimate, to turn over the
ocean the
warming of the sea surface will continue to
warm the deep
ocean for decades even if the sea surface
temp falls as long as the surface
temp remains above the moving average
temp for whatever the
ocean turnover rate is.
Not to mention, why do skeptics continue to ignore, dismiss, or simply «argue with» by any means possible, the far more important fact that most of the increased absorbed heat energy is going into
warming the
oceans, not the atmosphere (thus keeping the ambient air
temp rise from registering as high as it otherwise would, and impacting FUTURE climate far more).
This would have the effect of generally dampening daytime
temps but increasing nighttime
temps (increased water vapour and the released CO2 from the
warming oceans, acting as an insulator).
According to his research it's only solid on the surface beneath that it's completely «rotten», indicating to me that the
warmer arctic
ocean currents are contributing far more to the arctic ice loss that air
temps.
Just reminds me of the climate gate email that is not often discussed where someone (I do nt recall who off hand) notes its good that the skeptics at least have not yet made a point yet about the discrepancy between land and
ocean temps, as the land should follow the sea and can not
warm at a faster rate for any physical reason.
Frankly, to me, his result is not surprising, given that the Atmospheric Temperature record (not including
Ocean Temps at any depth) is a poor [edit] proxy for «global
warming».