It may indicate that it is the water content but that I can not see how that could be a directly used to in the calculation of
the water feedback given the units of the kernel.
Not exact matches
The problem is, like drinking enough
water, we don't
give enough
feedback every day and we certainly don't get enough
feedback.
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Sure, there might be a few papers that take climate sensitivity as a
given and somehow try to draw conclusions about the impact on the climate from that... But, I hardly think that these are swamping the number of papers trying to determine what the climate sensitivity is, studying if the
water vapor
feedback is working as expected, etc., etc..
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[1] CO2 absorbs IR, is the main GHG, human emissions are increasing its concentration in the atmosphere, raising temperatures globally; the second GHG,
water vapor, exists in equilibrium with
water / ice, would precipitate out if not for the CO2, so acts as a
feedback; since the oceans cover so much of the planet,
water is a large positive
feedback; melting snow and ice as the atmosphere warms decreases albedo, another positive
feedback, biased toward the poles, which
gives larger polar warming than the global average; decreasing the temperature gradient from the equator to the poles is reducing the driving forces for the jetstream; the jetstream's meanders are increasing in amplitude and slowing, just like the lower Missippi River where its driving gradient decreases; the larger slower meanders increase the amplitude and duration of blocking highs, increasing drought and extreme temperatures — and 30,000 + Europeans and 5,000 plus Russians die, and the US corn crop, Russian wheat crop, and Aussie wildland fire protection fails — or extreme rainfall floods the US, France, Pakistan, Thailand (driving up prices for disk drives — hows that for unexpected adverse impacts from AGW?)
Specific humidity content of the air has increased, as expected as part of the conventional
water vapor
feedback, but in fact relative humidity also increased between 1950 and 1990, indicating a stronger
water vapor
feedback than
given by the conventional assumption of fixed relative humidity.
If the enhanced atmospheric warming from a CO2 - induced temperature rise of 1 oC results in enhanced
water vapour that
gives an additional warming of say x oC, the overall warming (doubled CO2 +
water vapour
feedback; leaving out other
feedbacks for now) will be something like 1.1 * (1 + x + x2 + x3...) or 1.1 / (1 - x)-RSB-.
Alternatively, more direct observations of that radiative imbalance would be nice, or better theoretical and observational understanding of the
water vapor and cloud
feedbacks, or more paleoclimate data which can
give us constraints on historical
feedbacks, but my guess is that ocean heat content measurements would be the best near term bet for improving our understanding of this issue.
Reconstruction of the temporal changes in the oxic - anoxic interface (chemocline) in the
water column forms a key step in the identification of the external drivers and internal
feedbacks that contribute to anoxia and euxinia in a
given system.
of anthropogenic CO2 releases that have been taken out of the atmosphere (over and above the amount taken out of the atmosphere that balances the natural additions to the atmosphere), perhaps mainly as a direct biogeochemical
feedback (increased CO2 favoring more rapid biological fixation of C, net flux of CO2 into
water until equilibrium for the
given storage of other involved chemical species in the upper ocean) fairly promptly.
It was a good deed to
give Dennis Schmitt a forum to respond to Patrick Michaels since Michaels doesn't offer one, we need to see less of the tug of war and more of the real evolving science as scientists strive to fill in gaps in data and missing links in climate models, and to understand
feedbacks and the coupled dynamics of land, air and
water.
Corresponding time for surface + tropospheric equilibration:
given 3 K warming (including
feedbacks) per ~ 3.7 W / m2 forcing (this includes the effects of
feedbacks): 10 years per heat capacity of ~ 130 m layer of ocean (~ heat capacity of 92 or 93 m of liquid
water spread over the whole globe)
Charney sensitivity refers to the climate sensitivity when fast - reacting
feedbacks (Planck response is a
given — also,
water vapor, clouds,... I think sea ice, seasonal snow) occur but with other things (land - based ice sheets,... vegetation -LRB-?)-RRB-
The
water vapor
feedback (a generally positive
feedback)-- there is an roughly exponential increase in saturation
water vapor pressure with increasing temperature, and the relative humidity (at a
given vertical level) overall tends not to change a lot globally, though there will be different regional trends associated with shifting precipitation patterns.
The exposed open
water caused by the wind divergence may absorb some additional sunlight and melt more ice than usual over the next few weeks (temperature - albedo
feedback)[related NASA animation], but
given that the sun is well on its way to setting for the winter, I think this effect will be fairly minimal.
Given the sensible & latent heat transport # s above, it doesn't seem very plausible for convection & conduction to play a role comparable to radiation (especially because latent heat transport also puts more moister in the upper atm, and that
water vapor
feedback traps more radiation).
The fact that is being overlooked is that the main positive
feedback effect is thought to be, «more
water vapour
gives more temperature which
gives more
water vapour».
Given your background it is probably evident that with only the GHG model input and the resulting «
water vapor
feedback» controlled, the GCM functions as a noise generator with a variable bias.
To point out just a couple of things: — oceans warming slower (or cooling slower) than lands on long - time trends is absolutely normal, because
water is more difficult both to warm or to cool (I mean, we require both a bigger heat flow and more time); at the contrary, I see as a non-sense theory (made by some serrist, but don't know who) that oceans are storing up heat, and that suddenly they will release such heat as a positive
feedback: or the
water warms than no heat can be considered ad «stored» (we have no phase change inside oceans, so no latent heat) or oceans begin to release heat but in the same time they have to cool (because they are losing heat); so, I don't feel strange that in last years land temperatures for some series (NCDC and GISS) can be heating up while oceans are slightly cooling, but I feel strange that they are heating up so much to reverse global trend from slightly negative / stable to slightly positive; but, in the end, all this is not an evidence that lands» warming is led by UHI (but, this effect, I would not exclude it from having a small part in temperature trends for some regional area, but just small); both because, as writtend, it is normal to have
waters warming slower than lands, and because lands» temperatures are often measured in a not so precise way (despite they continue to
give us a global uncertainity in TT values which is barely the instrumental's one)-- but, to point out, HadCRU and MSU of last years (I mean always 2002 - 2006) follow much better
waters» temperatures trend; — metropolis and larger cities temperature trends actually show an increase in UHI effect, but I think the sites are few, and the covered area is very small worldwide, so the global effect is very poor (but it still can be sensible for regional effects); but I would not run out a small warming trend for airport measurements due mainly to three things: increasing jet planes traffic, enlarging airports (then more buildings and more asphalt — if you follow motor sports, or simply live in a town / city, you will know how easy they get very warmer than air during day, and how much it can slow night - time cooling) and overall having airports nearer to cities (if not becoming an area inside the city after some decade of hurban growth, e.g. Milan - Linate); — I found no point about UHI in towns and villages; you will tell me they are not large cities; but, in comparison with 20-40-60 years ago when they were «countryside», many small towns and villages have become part of larger hurban areas (at least in Europe and Asia) so examining just larger cities would not be enough in my opinion to get a full view of UHI effect (still remembering that it has a small global effect: we can say many matters are due to UHI instead of GW, maybe even that a small part of measured GW is due to UHI, and that GW measurements are not so precise to make us able to make good analisyses and predictions, but not that GW is due to UHI).
If there was no greenhouse effect or if something were to block it any doubling of carbon dioxide would yield zero degrees warming and the
water vapor
feedback likewise would be zero,
giving a climate sensitivity of exactly zero for this doubling.
The THS is a major fingerprint of AGW and what is not understood by idiots like NO is that a THS would be a product of
water vapour
feedback and is not a first order forcing;
given that the lack of a THS is entirely consistent with the decline of
water vapour levels in the mid to high troposphere.
Next, they assume a large (and unverified)
water vapor / cloud / whatever
feedback on top of that, to
give the 0.9 number.
Judith Curry writes, «how [can] these models produce anything sensible
given the temperature dependence of the saturation vapor pressure over
water, the freezing temperature of
water, and the dependence of
feedbacks on temperature parameter space.»
That's all very interesting, but the new alarmism is that warm air holds more moisture,
giving the required
water vapor
feedbacks in order to make the world scary hot, instead of the piddling little lukewarm, of a non
feedback, co2 stand alone warming.
Water vapor appears to
give negative, not positive,
feedback.
28 Estimated Strength of
Water Vapor Feedback Earliest studies suggest that if the absolute humidity increases in proportion to the saturation vapor pressure (constant relative humidity), this will give rise to a water vapor feedback that will double the sensitivity of climate compared to an assumption of fixed absolute humi
Water Vapor
Feedback Earliest studies suggest that if the absolute humidity increases in proportion to the saturation vapor pressure (constant relative humidity), this will give rise to a water vapor feedback that will double the sensitivity of climate compared to an assumption of fixed absolute h
Feedback Earliest studies suggest that if the absolute humidity increases in proportion to the saturation vapor pressure (constant relative humidity), this will
give rise to a
water vapor feedback that will double the sensitivity of climate compared to an assumption of fixed absolute humi
water vapor
feedback that will double the sensitivity of climate compared to an assumption of fixed absolute h
feedback that will double the sensitivity of climate compared to an assumption of fixed absolute humidity.
... your uneasiness might arise from wondering how these models produce anything sensible
given the temperature dependence of the saturation vapor pressure over
water, the freezing temperature of
water, and the dependence of
feedbacks on temperature parameter space.
Radiative
feedbacks act the same way as radiative forcings, except that they themselves are dependent on temperature changes (the distinction depends on timescale and context; also, in some contexts the
feedbacks» effects are described as radiative forcings — for example, the radiative forcing of the increase in
water vapor that would occur for a
given temperature increase).
Corrections: Del Genio et al. (1991); Raval and Ramanathan (1989) found that satellite infrared measurements
gave «compelling evidence for the positive
feedback between surface temperature,
water vapour and the greenhouse effect; the magnitude of the
feedback is consistent with that predicted by climate models;» similarly, Rind et al. (1991), p. 500; Sun and Held (1996); and the final nail in the coffin, Soden et.
Once the civilization reaches truly planetary scales, there has to be some
feedback on the coupled planetary systems that
gave it birth (air,
water, rock).
This is quite different from the positive
feedback that follows when Arctic ice — which reflects sunlight — melts and
gives way to blue
water which absorbs solar energy, thus accelerating the melting.
What is disputed is the how to calculate resulting surface temperature increase
given a no -
feedback (and no
water as Lubos asserts) scenario.