He saw a holding player in Arteta and he was right, Arteta is extremely
good as a holding midfielder and on top of that had extensive BPL experience, his only problem is his stature but for his price (8m) it was a good deal.
Presently out on loan to Alanyaspor from Chelsea, he has also grown in leaps and bounds with strong showing for the team not just from his primary role as a central defender as he has performed admirably
well as a holding midfielder in some games.
Not exact matches
When Arsenal played with Arteta
as defensive
midfielder that situation never occurs he tends to control the flow and pace of Arsenal game with his passing and by
holding his position, he also runs into space very
well and always available for a pass.
giroud plays
well as a dm in his usual no9 position based on his «
hold up play»... but don't mistake that gibberish with playing in
midfield which requires more concentration and technique which the tall man does not possess at all... hed make a
good defender though
His passing is avarage at
best and he is defencivly shockingly bad, yet he plays
as a
holding midfielder
And just to make things worse, our
holding midfielder Francis Coquelin picked up a knee injury that the manager suggested would keep him out
as well.
Pogba is picked on because he's our
best and most expensive outfield player, but Mourinho has primarily played him
as a
holding midfielder, which I think we can agree isn't what he was bought to do, and is not what he's
good at.
Well I don't think we would be where we are with Arteta
as our
holding midfielder.
Busquets would be a fine addition to Guardiola's Man City team,
as the defensive
midfielder is regarded
as one of the
best holding midfielders of all time by some.
El Neny is decent
as a CM and is
best suited to a 3 - man
midfield where 2 CM's
hold.
Quick notes on arsemal team 1 - paulista is not
good as i though 2 - coquelin is essential in arsenal
midfield to give stability but he can't
hold the ball in his feet or give the right pass in the right time so we can't dominate teams anymore especially with santi absence 3 - ramsey = horrible, just a headless chicken running everywhere 4 - ozil could have easily 30 + assists by now 5 - Olivier Giroud the handsom french guy shouldn't ever be a big team first choice striker 6 - where are the 4 world class strikers that wenger said we had i didn't se anyone of the yet
Welbeck will probably never be in the same league
as a
hold up player, but it really isn't necessary if the
midfield can keep the ball
better.
lst season at stamford bridge, was the first time i saw that 4 -1-4-1 formation being used, and for some weird reason i feel a very strange negative vibe and
well all know the outcome.the manager has come back with this formation and its not yielding result, but he still sticks with it.i do nt know much about formations dear friends, but if you are playing a slow dm in arteta and a very very slow cb, then you are toast against quality teams with sound tactics.wen playing wellbeck
as a lone striker, i think 4 -2-3-1, will work better, but if we have a big player like oliver (boooos), thn we can try the 4 -1-4-1, thingy cos he can hold the ball for our midfielders to run in.but on the overall, shame on wenger for not giving our defence a good cover DM.NO BODY PLAYS A SLOW DM / CB AND EXPECT TO B REGARDED AS CHAMPIONSHIP MATERIAL.IT HURTS GUYS, REALLY HURT
as a lone striker, i think 4 -2-3-1, will work
better, but if we have a big player like oliver (boooos), thn we can try the 4 -1-4-1, thingy cos he can
hold the ball for our
midfielders to run in.but on the overall, shame on wenger for not giving our defence a
good cover DM.NO BODY PLAYS A SLOW DM / CB AND EXPECT TO B REGARDED
AS CHAMPIONSHIP MATERIAL.IT HURTS GUYS, REALLY HURT
AS CHAMPIONSHIP MATERIAL.IT HURTS GUYS, REALLY HURTS.
Our side currently have Aaron Ramsey and Granit Xhaka
holding down our two central
midfield roles, and Mesut Ozil and Alexis Sanchez firmly set in our two attacking
midfield roles,
as well as having a number of others also capable of starring in those central roles, including Alex Oxlade - Chamberlain, Mohamed Elneny, Francis Coquelin, Alex Iwobi and Theo Walcott.
Giroud is very strong and heavy, he is also
good in the air and can
hold up the ball and do that pseudo
midfielder thing
well enough for Wenger to keep picking him
as the spearhead.
If Arsenal stick with three centre backs then Mustafi must be considered a far
better choice for the third birth alongside Kos and
Holding rather then Monreal.Kolasinac has to come back in at left eing - back and Bellerin revert to the right.
Midfield is a very different matter.Arsenal still desperately need a proper defensive central player.Ozil in this current side can not be considered anything more than a luxury.All of Bournemouth's creativity will come down the flanks so it's necessary to put players on to the pitch who are prepared to fulfill their defensive duties.This also means that unless Ramsey can work out that he's playing in
midfield not
as a number 10 he has no place on the team either.
Some fans and pundits have also suggested that Chambers has what it takes to be a very
good holding midfielder as well, which is the position he first played when coming up through the Saints» academy system.
He can play in
holding midfield, he can play if needed on the flanks
as well.
lets all thank arsene for finally doing the right thing only time will tell but have we finally signed the DM we need STRONG MINDED NO
HOLD BAR
MIDFIELDER WE HAVE ALL CRAVED, but lets take it back we all know it will take 2 or 3 more like minded players to make us great again, he has tricked us all buy buying one superstar in the last 3 windows ALEXIS, OZIL and CHEC great players but can't do it all on their own, spending huge amount of money and saying we can buy the
best players, on the surface this looks great we are buying top top players big prices but instead of spending his usual 50 mill on 2, 3, 4, 0r 5 players he has pulled the wool over are eyes with 1 superstar thinking the fans are that dumb enough to believe it, infact he has never spent his budget only balanced on sales too purchases, i love arsenal but this summer i hope for more he needs to do that consistently through out the team spend the same amount on the team stop balancing the american owners, grow a pair say yes we will buy a top defender and a world class striker, stan we love arsenal please be one of us do whats needed then you will fell proud
as we are and we will adore you for it.
N'Zonzi's defence ability, calmness on the ball and will to break up attacks have seen some label the Frenchman
as one the
best holding midfielders in the league.
So long
as we get a
holding midfielder as well.
Sorry for continually being ignorant and missing the point («your» point to be precise)-- but playing one - twos with Alexis in the opposition penalty area in the Copa and being deployed at the head of Juve's
midfield diamond is not convincing me that his coaches / managers see his
best position
as a disciplined
holding midfield player.
This is an incredibly difficult question to answer for a variety of reasons, most importantly because over the years our once vaunted «beautiful» style of play has become a shadow of it's former self, only to be replaced by a less than stellar «plug and play» mentality where players play out of position and adjustments / substitutions are rarely forthcoming before the 75th minute... if you look at our current players, very few would make sense in the traditional Wengerian system... at present, we don't have the personnel to move the ball quickly from deep - lying position, efficient one touch
midfielders that can make the necessary through balls or the disciplined and pacey forwards to stretch defences into wide positions, without the aid of the backs coming up into the final 3rd, so that we can attack the defensive lanes in the same clinical fashion we did years ago... on this current squad, we have only 1 central defender on staf, Mustafi, who seems to have any prowess in the offensive zone or who can even pass two zones through so that we can advance play quickly out of our own end (I have seen some inklings that suggest
Holding might have some offensive qualities but too early to tell)... unfortunately Mustafi has a tendency to get himself in trouble when he gets overly aggressive on the ball... from our backs out wide, we've seen pace from the likes of Bellerin and Gibbs and the spirited albeit offensively stunted play of Monreal, but none of these players possess the skill - set required in the offensive zone for the new Wenger scheme which requires deft touches, timely runs to the baseline and consistent crossing, especially when Giroud was playing and his ratio of scored goals per clear chances was relatively low (
better last year though)... obviously I like Bellerin's future prospects,
as you can't teach pace, but I do worry that he regressed last season, which was obvious to Wenger because there was no way he would have used Ox
as the right side wing - back so often knowing that Barcelona could come calling in the off - season, if he thought otherwise...
as for our
midfielders, not a single one, minus the more confident Xhaka I watched played for the Swiss national team a couple years ago, who truly makes sense under the traditional Wenger model... Ramsey
holds onto the ball too long, gives the ball away cheaply far too often and abandons his defensive responsibilities on a regular basis (doesn't score enough recently to justify): that being said, I've always thought he does possess a little something special, unfortunately he thinks so too... Xhaka is a little too slow to ever boss the
midfield and he tends to telegraph his one true strength, his long ball play: although I must admit he did get a bit
better during some points in the latter part of last season... it always made me wonder why whenever he played with Coq Wenger always seemed to play Francis in a more advanced role on the pitch...
as for Coq, he is way too reckless at the wrong times and has exhibited little offensive prowess yet finds himself in and around the box far too often... let's face it Wenger was ready to throw him in the trash heap when injuries forced him to use Francis and then he had the nerve to act like this was all part of a bigger Wenger constructed plan... he like Ramsey, Xhaka and Elneny don't offer the skills necessary to satisfy the quick transitory nature of our old offensive scheme or the stout defensive mindset needed to protect the defensive zone so that our offensive players can remain aggressive in the final third... on the front end, we have Ozil, a player of immense skill but stunted by his physical demeanor that tends to offend, the fact that he's been played out of position far too many times since arriving and that the players in front of him, minus Sanchez, make little to no sense considering what he has to offer (especially Giroud); just think about the quick counter-attack offence in Real or the space and protection he receives in the German National team's
midfield, where teams couldn't afford to focus too heavily on one individual... this player was a passing «specialist» long before he arrived in North London, so only an arrogant or ignorant individual would try to reinvent the wheel and / or not surround such a talent with the necessary components... in regards to Ox, Walcott and Welbeck, although they all possess serious talents I see them in large part
as headless chickens who are on the injury table too much, lack the necessary first - touch and / or lack the finishing flair to warrant their inclusion in a regular starting eleven; I would say that, of the 3, Ox showed the most upside once we went to a back 3, but even he became a bit too consumed by his pending contract talks before the season ended and that concerned me a bit... if I had to choose one of those 3 players to stay on it would be Ox due to his potential
as a plausible alternative to Bellerin in that wing - back position should we continue to use that formation... in Sanchez, we get one of the most committed skill players we've seen on this squad for some years but that could all change soon, if it hasn't already of course... strangely enough, even he doesn't make sense given the constructs of the original Wenger offensive model because he
holds onto the ball too long and he will give the ball up a little too often in the offensive zone... a fact that is largely forgotten due to his infectious energy and the fact that the numbers he has achieved seem to justify the means... finally, and in many ways most crucially, Giroud, there is nothing about this team or the offensive system that Wenger has traditionally employed that would even suggest such a player would make sense
as a starter... too slow, too inefficient and way too easily dispossessed... once again, I think he has some special skills and, at times, has showed some world - class qualities but he's lack of mobility is an albatross around the necks of our offence... so when you ask who would be our
best starting 11, I don't have a clue because of the 5 or 6 players that truly deserve a place in this side, 1 just arrived, 3 aren't under contract beyond 2018 and the other was just sold to Juve... man, this is theraputic because following this team is like an addiction to heroin without the benefits
this window has just finished i am already thinking about who we will get for the january window we might try for khedira on a really low offer
as he is free agent almost would help boost numbers in
midfield in the new year
as we will no doubt need to filling the numbers about then also i will
hold my hands up and say i was wrong this morning for giving wenger stick and saying welbeck is rubbish i have been out in the cold light of day and had a chance to reevaluate the situation and realized that this could be a canny shrew transfer on wenger behalf actually if wenger can turn the clock back and work his magic on welbeck and get him scoring goals and improve his game then we could have a great underrated signing on our hands its wengers absolute trust in him that might be what makes him a great player
as this is something that he never had at old mordor if anybody can make him a world beater wenger can he loves this little pet projects improving players against the odds welbeck has the skillset to be high class player upfornt he just needs to work very hard on his finishing i think once he gets a few goals under his belt he will settle in fine and he is a team player you could put him on the left against man city to shore up that side and he will put in a great shift without a complaint that could be his biggest asset to us or on the right whenever we need him there ithinkwenger might start himon the left against city to protect the left back against navas and i bet you if he does a great job we will take a shine to him quickly i am hopeing he will be one of those wenger gems that he finds and polishes up to a high finish i must admit i was annoyed
as some other gunners were at not signing d / m and c / h but if wenger does win the league with this lot it will be his greatest win yet and what might play in to our hands is the unpredictable nature of the league in the last few seasons if we get on a
good run at the right time we might be hard to stop look at city they should have never lost to stoke but the result is there in black and white for all to see and i think chelsea will hit the skids after a while to just because cesc and costa are doing
well now thats there main threat but teams will work out how to stop them
as the season goes on and chelsea will become predictable i think we might just do
well this season after all
As for Thiago, Guardiola knows him
well having worked together previously at Bayern during the Spaniard's stint in charge of the Bavarian giants prior to joining City, and with a lack of
midfield depth particularly in the
holding role to offer competition for stalwart Fernandinho, it could be a sensible addition for the Citizens.
As much as I respect Arteta and Flamini, there are plenty of younger and better holding / defensive midfielders out ther
As much
as I respect Arteta and Flamini, there are plenty of younger and better holding / defensive midfielders out ther
as I respect Arteta and Flamini, there are plenty of younger and
better holding / defensive
midfielders out there.
Bring in Ospina for Cech; Gabriel for Koscielny (Kos is 31 and its time we start testing Gabriel and
Holding beside Mustafi to see what our long term first choice defensive partnership will look like); Gibbs for Monreal (Wenger needs to start rotating these 2 more frequently
as we need to ascertain if Gibbs can adequately produce the quality to
hold that position from next season for a few years
as I'm thinking this might be Nacho's last or penultimate season with Arsenal, it will also give a hint
as to the type of Left - back to target in the summer — first teamer or backup and age
as well); I'll like to see an Elneny — Xhaka partnership in this fixture
as we might just never know, this might be our replica of the Kos Mustafa partnership in the centre of the park, Two disciplined (positionally, i mean) central
midfielders who can play box to box; Chamberlain for Iwobi, and Perez for Alexis should do the work.
But is lecoq alone enough??? is Wenger planning to use arteta
as a backup to lecoq??? We need a strong
holding midfielder, I don't think we can count on arteta.arteta is a
good player but not the
best when he is used
as a DM.
Add Chambers
as their
holding mid and we'd have the
best midfield in the EPL.
i am thinking the same thing, i just do nt think
hold up play center striker style works
as well as speed with a creative
midfield and ozil in the middle
I think lemar is a
better player than mahrez anyway why pay # 50.00 fot a one season wonder I would sell Gibbs, giroud theo and Perez
as Welk
as ox and bring in a
holding midfielder
A Metro report that compares his numbers to those of Matic, Schneiderlin and Fernandinho shows that
as well as being the
best in terms of tackling, winning duels and making blocks, Coquelin has the highest pass completion at 91 percent, so can we now start to believe that Arsenal really do have the
best holding midfielder in the Premier League?
Definitely need a
holding midfielder so either Ramsey or Xhaka can have licence to attack
as neither are
good at defending!
To me, i feel xhaka is
well needed in dis new formation (d 3 -4-3) n moreso, he is a typical arsenal kind of player... can
hold on to d ball n distribute it with precision... all we need to succeed with dis new formation is to get a combative football playing
midfielder dat can win d ball n move with it... in d mould of naby keita, verrati n even Everton's gana can do d job or
better still, take renato sanchez on loan... doubt if he is going to get enough playing time
as he would want at bayern dis season again coz of their luxury of
midfield player, not sure if he will be in d 1st team with vidal n thiago alcantara unbenchable n anceloti having a soft spot for kimmich (just
as wenger has for Ramsey) I think if we propose a loan deal for renato sanchez dah bayern will grant it
Admin yes your right but we are always short somewhere every season and lets not forget we have bought a few defenders but all not up to scratch (Mustafi, Chambers,
Holding, Gabriel, Debuchy, Mertesacker ect...) but at least after RVP left we never had such
good strikers
as we have now late but its a
good thing, i believe we have great creative attacking
midfield but we have never replaced Viera, Adams, Campbell or Seaman, i wanted arsenal to buy VVD when he was at Celtic why i can see that and our top professionals at the club can not?
Wilshere has performed
well in the past
as a
holding midfielder but the performances are few and far between.
Bellarine is a
better RB for me and Chambers should be developed
as a CB or
holding midfielder.
The
midfielder was the subject of interest from Juventus and AC Milan
as recently
as January [Daily Mail], and may
well prefer to
hold out for a move to one of the Italian giants, rather than remain in the Premier League.
With Arsene Wenger selecting a very makeshift defence of Debuchy and
Holding either side of a central
midfielder Elneny,
as well as three young Gunners in Nelson, Willock and Maitland - Niles it was clear that the Gunners were making the Premier League game away to Everton on Sunday a big priority.
To really be a dominant team we need a world class striker and not just one who is
good at
holding up the ball, we can not have Per
as one of our CD, we would need a leader in
midfield and preferable a world class wide player.
The nineteen year - old has a pretty
good match away at Bastia, and he grew into the game
as it went on, with the
holding midfielder looking solid in the opening stages, but gave away a couple or needless free - kicks, and have the ball away a couple of times in the middle of the park.
And Giroud is so important for our play
as he
holds the ball up
well and links brilliantly with our attacking
midfielders.
We say Arteta is doing fine
as the
holding midfielder, for me this is not efficient enough because he can do a
better job further forward (where he has played all his life).....
I thought Diaby actually did quite
well as a defensive
midfielder on Sunday but he does
hold onto the ball too long and he has rarely been
as consistent
as that.
Being hailed
as «the
best holding midfielder in Europe» by Rodgers, Gerrard has been praised for his ability to read the game and being a playmaker in his own kind.
I like him
as more of a
holding midfielder which is where I think he plays his
best ball.
Lining up on the left of a
midfield three that also featured Victor Wanyama
holding the middle ground and Mousa Dembele over on the right, charged with aiding Kyle Walker
as well as helping to dominate the centre of the pitch, Winks performed a similar role just ahead of Danny Rose, who caused chaos bombing on from left - back.
As mentioned before in this article, Matic has built a reputation as being one of Europe's best holding midfielders and while he deserves this reputation in the Premier League, it may not be so clear cut as some would have you thin
As mentioned before in this article, Matic has built a reputation
as being one of Europe's best holding midfielders and while he deserves this reputation in the Premier League, it may not be so clear cut as some would have you thin
as being one of Europe's
best holding midfielders and while he deserves this reputation in the Premier League, it may not be so clear cut
as some would have you thin
as some would have you think.
At Bayern, we have seen the former full back Philipp Lahm be reimaged
as a great
holding midfielder, and Robert Lewandowski go from a great centre forward into the very
best centre forward.
The opposition were
holding their own and playing
better football than in the last encounter, but the Lions defence was
as watertight
as swomething really, really watertight (can't think of anything that watertight), and the
midfielders, Laurent and Steve F, were putting in the hard hards.