You keep overlooking the fact that there are areas around globe
where UHI can not explain the differences between TLT and surface temperatures.
That would include UHI free stations and stations
where UHI did not change a lot, exactly, what is looked for.
Not exact matches
In Singapore,
where dense urban structures result in the
UHI phenomenon, rapid population growth and the expansion of city development are expected to further worsen the quality of urban life.
The
UHI should match
where most people live.
Another way to explore the
UHI would be to look at
where the majority of warming has occurred across the globe.
This makes sense because
UHI effects are stronger on calm days (
where there is less mixing with the wider environment), and so if an increasing
UHI effect was changing the trend, one would expect stronger trends on calm days and that is not seen.
Unless you're claiming that any area
where humans abide are going to have the same degree of
UHI, you're going to have to agree that there's a curve relating population with amount of
UHI.
I know that
UHI is not an issue in US and Europe, because these are also the regions
where sat and surf agree best.
One would expect adjustments to subtract temps as time passes because of the
UHI, but often WUWT found examples
where it was exactly the other way round.
We show examples of the
UHIs at London and Vienna,
where city center sites are warmer than surrounding rural locations.
Could that be the same Wang who also wrote a paper about
UHI where the figures from Chinese stations were so suspect that even a lead IPCC author expressed disgust?
It is why most weather stations are at airports
where they became compromised by heat from runways, jet engines, and in many cases the expanding urban heat island (
UHI).
** The
UHI effect there was due to continual snow removal during the winter at French airports
where all of the «official» thermometers are located (whereas, all of the surrounding countryside remained blanketed in snow and showed no increase in winter temperatures).
The thermometer network is made up of a patchwork of non-research quality instruments that were never made to monitor long - term temperature changes to tenths or hundredths of a degree... Furthermore, land - based thermometers are placed
where people live, and people build stuff, often replacing cooling vegetation with manmade structures that cause an artificial warming (urban heat island,
UHI) effect right around the thermometer.
If they are only going from 1950 to 2010 and taking areas that were already urbanized at the initiation of the evaluation, it isn't difficult to imagine scenarios
where lighter building materials and a reduction in soot more than counteracted any growing
UHI effect.
Let's step back a little on this: if Parker is going to use NCEP gridcell calm - windy as a «proxy» for
UHI, then I'd like to see at some examples
where it is agreed that there is known
UHI and the NCEP gridcell calm - windy distinction picks off the
UHI.
Where does Parker classify sites as to whether they are
UHI or not?
To make it even more explicit (and I'll ignore all the intermediate points
where he makes it explicit that he is talking about trend) Parker includes a paragraph near the end of his discussion,
where he spells out that he is talking about trends, and that he is explicitly NOT disputing the existence of
UHI.
where Tmax (j, n) is the maximum temperature you would have measured at site j and day n, had all the urbanization, asphalt, burning cans, etc. not been present; and
UHI (j, n) represents the impact of all that stuff.
Where (quote the text) does parker ask whether the change in TMEAN over time in areas with
UHI is different than areas without
UHI?
No such statement is made in Oke et al 1991 or Johnson et al 1991,
where nuanced discussions are made, with Fairbanks and Moscow being mentioned as examples of very large winter
UHI effects.
where Tmin (j, n) is the minimum temperature you would have measured at site j and day n, without all the stuff;
UHI (j, n) is the stuff again; and NSTI (j, n) is the near - surface temperature inversion.
# 139: rightly, this is the matter of ground stations: even without sensible
UHI effect, we measure temperatures in very small and concentrated areas —
where not only
UHI, but also soil usage matters — but that are not representative neither of the main part of land surfaces.
Therefore let Trend [Ac]-- Trend [Aw] = (1 — r) Trend [
UHI] + Cw
where the new term Cw represents the cooling effect of windy weather systems.
UHI should also be taken into consideration when trying to figure out
where the heat is coming from.
This will result in the station in question being a less accurate representation of the temperature at that specific location (
where, for example,
UHI is a real increase in temperature), but more characteristic of the region that it is located in.
When it comes to
UHI,
where typically comparisons are made between urban and rural settings, there is again nonsense in interpretations because the factors that caused a certain Tmax in the city need not be acting in a similar way at the rural setting.
The
UHIs where all of the blue city residents exercise their ignorance and vote their fears are not going to go away.
You have to throw all urban stations out
where you suspect
UHI.
Are either of these «corrections,»
UHI or microsite, applied to the surface values at the 50 or so stations
where radiosondes are launched?
The land is only 30 % of the total, as the paper notes the cycle they find is found in the SST,
where there is no
UHI.
Given that a significant and agreed upon
UHI effect exists and there seem to be objective methods of determining
where it would be most and least prevalent, why would not a rather simple study be available whereby contrasting locations of
UHI are measured for temperatures and wind in order to better test Parker's hypothesis?
This is
where the issue of the
UHI is easiest to see and during the summer it is very clear that the issue is real.
UHI is tackled in Section Three, but briefly, he observed that temperatures were routinely around 1 degree C (around 1.8 F) higher in cities than in rural areas, and cites the United States
where differences of 2.8 to 15 degrees (F) are noted between the voluntary observers in rural areas, and the paid ones in the adjacent cities.
With
UHI spikes even half what Hu finds, it is very important then to identify
where in the pixels the met stations are, then to allow for that unique juxtaposition when including in any regional or global averaging.
Even in Norwich
where he works, population 136,000,
UHI will be more than 1C, although we have little truly rural land in SE England, so I could be understating things.
For example Berlin Dahlem with continuouis data from 1769 and Berlin Templehof with data from 1701 are» corrected» using data from the airports at Tegel, Schonefeld dating from 1953/63
where there was heavy military and civilian airtrafic and Alexanderplatz from 1991 all of which introduce a large
UHI effect that shows in the» corrected data as +0.12 C — a seriosu undertimate of the
UHI effect in my opinion as Templehof (an airport) already shows an increase over Dahlem (semi rural) of 0.15 C.
Naive question here:
Where is
UHI in this 122,000,000 data point record, or can it be isolated?
In any case, even if they did accurately account for
UHIs, they don't account for them at the individual stations
where these «record highs» are being set.
It should be noted that whilst BEST claim no discernible effect of
UHI on their record the UK Met Office acknowledges corrections of up to 1.5 C for this, largely to the minimum temperatures
where most global warming is found.
Furthermore, land - based thermometers are placed
where people live, and people build stuff, often replacing cooling vegetation with manmade structures that cause an artificial warming (urban heat island,
UHI) effect right around the thermometer.
The authors refer to ``...
UHIs at London and Vienna,
where city center sites are warmer than surrounding rural locations.
So when you see images like this one above,
where the satellites can clearly see the
UHI, wouldn't it make sense to then just look at the biggest low pass filter heat sink on the planet, the oceans, to see what the difference might be?
Then there is correlation with urbanization, though there are above mentioned areas,
where Bob would not expect
UHI.
THIS is true, Bob: — RRB - I show extra heat as described and in the text
where besides
UHI we have also adjustments and siting issues.