I struggle
with the idea of church.
It's surprising to me how many Christians struggle
with the idea of church attendance.
Not exact matches
When our fore fathers came up
with the
idea of seperation
of church and state it wasn't to keep religion out of the government it was to keep the Church from running the gover
church and state it wasn't to keep religion out
of the government it was to keep the
Church from running the gover
Church from running the government.
While i don't agree 100 %
of everything she said, i agree
with her general
idea that we need to stop chasing after what's cool and what will draw the most
church members and start chasing after serving the poor, following Christ, doctrine, outreach, santification, and, specifically, God.
Gay rights campaigner Dan Savage said the
idea that
churches send out an anti-gay message «totally jibes
with my experience and that
of millions
of other gay and lesbian people.»
His
idea of balance was to give equal time to opinions supporting and opposing the
Church's teaching, leaving readers
with serious doubts as to which side America was on.
Only when this loosely held notion
of unity in diversity is held in tension in a community
of love can we tolerate, even
with wit and a slightly ironic eye, the
idea of corporate worship, communal learning, organized fellowship, and the traditions
of the
church.
Actually, the
idea of reuniting
with loved ones in Heaven was never a part
of church doctrine until relatively recently — the afterlife was all about being united
with God.
Having regularly flirted
with ideas of meditation and transcendence, in 2012 he married and later divorced popstar Katy Perry (formerly a Christian recording artist and the daughter
of two American
church pastors, Keith and Mary Hudson) in a traditional Hindu ceremony.
In a calmer, more reflective tone years later, Madison expressed satisfaction that the
idea of separation
of church and state that he promoted and built into the 1st Amendment allowed those
with different beliefs to flourish:
In this relationship, the man plays the role
of Jesus, while the woman plays the role
of the
church, so that the world will see their covenant relationship to one another and have an
idea of what it is like to be in a right relationship
with God.
I can tell you when I sat in the grass
with Doug Pagitt in 1996 (I think) and he was dreaming
of starting his
church and the
ideas and desire to be real and true and different... I believe the intention was authentic... then ego, greed, status, book deals, money and the inability to admit a flaw messed him up.
Perhaps, all the hullaballoo around the
idea of church is created because words have been mistranslated or replaced
with others to promote an agenda.
Thus they are carried away by a whole complex
of emotions and
ideas; authentic spirituality, aspiration for a true
church, suffering
with the poorest
of the poor; but also, sociological conformism, assent to commonplace notions, a bad social conscience (which relieves the individual
of his responsibility), extremist and excessive simplification (for it must never be forgotten that recourse to violence is always and above all an act
of inhuman simplification).
In Darby's thought, Millennialism combined
with restorationism to provide an inner logic for the
idea that the
church had fallen and that a new
church was needed, preparatory for the imminent return
of Christ.
Social Christianity (which on the whole is simple socialism), the Bekenntnis Kirche (which, once Hitlerism was defeated, merely aligned itself
with anti-Hitlerism, thus
with what might be called socio - communism), the
ideas of Reinhold Niebuhr (which, while solidly thought out, affected neither
church nor society)-- all have failed.
I said that they had better bask in the glory while it lasts because sure as one breathes, there will soon be others walking through those doors
with their own
ideas of how the
church should operate and it will no doubt start up all over again.
And as it turns out, though many
of the believers in these
churches know their Bibles well, few
of them actually live out what they know in their day - to - day lives, nor are they reaching out
with the gospel, which challenges the
idea that these sorts
of churches are actually doing a good job making disciples.
It's a readable, practical handbook
with sermon
ideas for all the Sundays and principal feast days
of the
Church's year, following all three cycles
of the Scripture readings.
He identified the
Church with the cause
of the poor,
with the longing for peace and decency between people
of different beliefs and
ideas,
with large and noble aspirations,
with sorrow for sin and
with hope for the future.
In the
church, people
of Candace Cameron Bure's doctrinal slant tend to point towards a few passages
of Scripture (particularly Ephesians 5:22 - 24, Colossians 3:18 - 19, and 1 Peter 3:1 - 2) as justification for the the
idea of a husband as absolute head
of the home
with his wife in submission to his leadership.
If this positive view
of celibacy is conveyed, «then we shall see the most distinguished among the younger generation fired up
with the inspiration to feed the flock
of God... and their deep hearts will grasp the whole
idea of the
Church and accept it into themselves as a living power» (p73).
The
idea had been Martin Luther King's, at least officially, but Pastor Neuhaus was close to the arduous, difficult civil rights work being done in Bedford - Stuyvesant (the Movement was discovering that Northern neighborhoods had an entirely different, more hardened, multiethnic toughness than Southern cities) and it was my guess that Richard, as much as anybody, was the actual dynamo and
idea man behind Clergy and Laymen Concerned About Vietnam, along
with William Sloane Coffin, then the pastor
of Riverside
Church.
For him the development
of doctrine does not simply derive from progress in thought and
ideas, but is an aspect
of deepening in being and communion
of both mind and heart
with God in Christ, which is the work
of the Holy Spirit in the
Church.
Firstly, it must be remembered, that he disclaims very early in the book that he can only speak for the mainline denominations
with which he is familiar, and although my memory may fail me, he implies that he can only speak for his observations
of the
churches / leaders
with whom he is familiar, and also that he may be wrong, and also, that he is only pointing out what he calls a possible cause for the problems he has seen, and hopes that his suggestions /
ideas, will be considered, researched, etc, and that time will tell if his thesis bears any truth or not.
But such an objection would only prove that Christians have frequently been wrongly educated, that they have unintentionally been imbued
with the
idea that they are allowed to do anything not explicitly forbidden by the authorities
of the
Church and that one has less confidence in the power
of the gospel and its grace than in detailed external moral prescriptions.
Kuhns delineates five areas in Bonhoeffer's thought that hold particular fascination for Roman Catholics: (1) «his
idea of community» (the
church is the community where Christ is); (2) «his search for the true nature of the Church's authority» (in the concrete situations facing the church who can speak with authority about wrong or r
church is the community where Christ is); (2) «his search for the true nature
of the
Church's authority» (in the concrete situations facing the church who can speak with authority about wrong or r
Church's authority» (in the concrete situations facing the
church who can speak with authority about wrong or r
church who can speak
with authority about wrong or right?)
I don't want to go on and on about this but over the years I have observed that one
of the biggest causes
of ridiculous antics in the
church and the rise
of various cults has been people running away
with ideas about eschatological events which are nothing more than pure imagination.
Just as you rightfully point out that the early
Church didn't have NT scriptures, maybe they didn't have the
idea of a «relationship
with Jesus» either.
The vague and sprawling nature
of the phrase «faith and morals» fosters the
idea that pope and bishops are equally and univocally competent on matters concerned
with faith and morals.This would be particularly the case in a
church conceived in a highly centralized and authoritarian way.
In both
of these strictures, the role
of theological ethics or moral theology in practical theology was minimized, and the
idea that practical theology dealt
with the
church's attempt to influence the order
of the public world subsided.
I struggle to
with the
idea of salaried pastors, to the point
of no longer attending
church.
Nancy, In the
church I was in, some people did put forth some wacky
ideas that the leadership thought not worthy
of pursuing, so they dealt
with them accordingly.
As I have been struggling
with the whole
idea of what
church really is... I find that your writings in this area the most applicable to my station in life.
And while he toyed
with the
idea of leaving the
church to follow Jesus, he decided to stay and rebuild the
church from the inside out.
I have several notebooks full
of ideas on things
churches could be doing to share Jesus more effectively
with the world, to do a better job in making disciples, to help children grow up and «stick»
with Christianity, to make the services more meaningful, to help people connect
with God, to develop real and genuine friendships within the
church, and on and on.
The
idea of having our own
church was forced due to whites not wanting to have a place
of worship
with people
of darker skin tone.
I love the
idea of a
church with no vision.
Their backward
ideas need to be relegated to the trash heap
of history.Also, their
churches need to be taxed, and their religious books all need to come
with a warning label: «Contents consists
of mythology only.
I was going to ask what possessed you
with the
idea of going to a mega
church anything, but then I read your comment about having good experiences
with something similar in Texas.
Sanneh says «syncretism represents the unresolved, unassimilated and tension - filled mixing
of Christian
ideas with local custom and ritual, and that scarcely results in the kind
of fulfilling change signaled by conversion and
church membership.
When the Catholic
church is evolving
with the world faster than your
ideas... You are probably on the wrong side
of history...
Abandoning a belief in God will cause some resentment towards those who have been telling you about God, sharing the
idea of «God»
with you, and participating in «
church» or «prayer.»
If the minister undertakes to encourage and implement the crazy - quilt variety
of ideas in the average congregation
of what the
church should be doing
with its members and resources, he or she soon finds that these
ideas are competitive rather than complementary.
This speculative but extremely old
idea is why the
Church, for much
of its history, did not know what to do
with the Jews.
Robert A. Schneider writes
of the new
idea of «
church federation» which prospered
with the Federal Council (after 1908) and National Council
of Churches (after 1951).
Essential to this is the
idea of magisterium, seen as the fulfilment
of the promise
of Christ «I will be
with you always» so that in the
Church, the Word «certain in all His ways» is ever present.
And through all this came the emergence
of the
idea of a new Kerygma, a new way
of proclaiming the Gospel to people who, living in a culture formed by centuries
of Christianity, had nevertheless lost all effective contact
with the
Church.
Imagine what a blessing it would be for the
Church, were a large and vital group
of reformed Catholic traditionalists — freed from harmful
ideas and fully accepting Vatican II (rightly interpreted) and the Novus Ordo — were to fully reconcile
with the
Church, and not do anything to betray the Vatican's good faith, once re-united.
In the 17th century, the
ideas of the Reformation were spreading throughout the world and the
Church did not accept very graciously the new scientific
ideas that mixed themselves
with God and religion.