What is less clear to me is why complementarians like Keller insist that that 1 Timothy 2:12 is a part of biblical womanhood, but Acts 2 is not; why the presence of twelve male disciples implies restrictions on female leadership, but the presence of the apostle Junia is inconsequential; why the Greco - Roman household codes represent God's ideal familial structure for husbands and wives, but not for slaves and masters; why the apostle Paul's instructions to Timothy about Ephesian
women teaching in the church are universally applicable, but his instructions to Corinthian women regarding head coverings are culturally conditioned (even though Paul uses the same line of argumentation — appealing the creation narrative — to support both); why the poetry of Proverbs 31 is often applied prescriptively and other poetry is not; why Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob represent the supremecy of male leadership while Deborah and Huldah and Miriam are mere exceptions to the rule; why «wives submit to your husbands» carries more weight than «submit one to another»; why the laws of the Old Testament are treated as irrelevant in one moment, but important enough to display in public courthouses and schools the next; why a feminist reading of the text represents a capitulation to culture but a reading that turns an ancient Near Eastern text into an apologetic for the post-Industrial Revolution nuclear family is not; why the curse of Genesis 3 has the final word on gender relationships rather than the new creation that began at the resurrection.
Not exact matches
since this
woman entered a Catholic
Church to be a part of their service of worship, she shouldn't be surprised that they follow the doctrine they believe
in — namely, that someone openly unrepentant of what the Catholic
Church teaches is sin should not partake of communion.
I don't think that its feasible to expect everyone to follow NFP, though I'm personally a huge proponent and believe
women need more education on their bodies and menstrual cycles, and condoms while not «moral» persay or
in line with the
church's
teaching are a much better option than hormonal birth control or Plan B as they are simply a barrier method not an abortificant.
I am a
women in her late 40's and was on the birth control pill for many years not realizing the great increase risk of breast cancer the pill causes or even the
church teaching on birth control.
He talks of STOP and SLOW, appreciating that both are necessary: STOP means «Save sex for marriage,
Teach men to respect
women, Offer treatment
in churches, and Pledge yourself to one partner»; SLOW means «Supply condoms, Limit number of partners, Offer needle exchange, and Wait for sex until older.»
As a 22 year old
woman you should use your God given intelligence to see if this typee of mentality is first morally sound and secondly
in accordance to the
teachings of the Catholic
church.
In my opinion, I do not think this
woman is a practicing catholic since she is ignoring this basic
teaching of the catholic
church.
Yet «faithful Catholics» do
in fact disagree about
church teaching regarding contraception, the ordination of
women, and the nature of the papacy, among other things.
In the context of 1 Timothy the most likely interpretation that takes into account the immediate context is that, rather than abandoning their intended roles by demanding teaching and authoritative positions in the church, women will find true fulfillment through childbearin
In the context of 1 Timothy the most likely interpretation that takes into account the immediate context is that, rather than abandoning their intended roles by demanding
teaching and authoritative positions
in the church, women will find true fulfillment through childbearin
in the
church,
women will find true fulfillment through childbearing.
If
women believe they are not capable of thinking theologically, or leading and
teaching in the
church effectively, then that stereotype perpetuates an unfortunate cycle
in which
women are hesitant to even try.»
To look upon those prayer wheels not (as some of us were
taught) as instruments of «vain repetition,» but as outward and visible signs of the intention to pray without ceasing, can perhaps lead iconoclasts to more compassionate reflection on the sacramental impulse and on the place of objects — statues and stained glass and candles and altar cloths, beads, bouquets, and kneeling cushions
in needlepoint stitched by some faithful
woman as her own act of participation
in the prayers of the
church.
«The second person of the Trinity is revealed as the eternal Son not daughter; the Father and the Son create man and
woman in His image and give them the name man, the name of the male... God appoints all the priests
in the Old Testament to be men; the Son of God came into the world to be a man; He chose 12 men to be His apostles; the apostles appointed that the overseers of the
Church be men; and when it came to marriage they
taught that the husband should be the head.»
The
teaching that men are to be the «spiritual leaders» of their homes is found nowhere
in Scripture, and yet I — along with far too many young evangelical women — spent hours upon hours fretting over this in college, worrying I'd never find a guy who was more knowledgeable about the Bible than I, who was always more emotionally connected to God than I, who was better at leading in the church than I, and who consistently exhibited more faithfulness and wisdom than I. (In fact, under this paradigm, I came to see many of my gifts as liabilities, impediments to settling down with a good «spiritual leader»
in Scripture, and yet I — along with far too many young evangelical
women — spent hours upon hours fretting over this
in college, worrying I'd never find a guy who was more knowledgeable about the Bible than I, who was always more emotionally connected to God than I, who was better at leading in the church than I, and who consistently exhibited more faithfulness and wisdom than I. (In fact, under this paradigm, I came to see many of my gifts as liabilities, impediments to settling down with a good «spiritual leader»
in college, worrying I'd never find a guy who was more knowledgeable about the Bible than I, who was always more emotionally connected to God than I, who was better at leading
in the church than I, and who consistently exhibited more faithfulness and wisdom than I. (In fact, under this paradigm, I came to see many of my gifts as liabilities, impediments to settling down with a good «spiritual leader»
in the
church than I, and who consistently exhibited more faithfulness and wisdom than I. (
In fact, under this paradigm, I came to see many of my gifts as liabilities, impediments to settling down with a good «spiritual leader»
In fact, under this paradigm, I came to see many of my gifts as liabilities, impediments to settling down with a good «spiritual leader»!)
He was making the case that men are «hardwired» to protect
women and
women are «hardwired» to be protected by men, and so the lifeboats on Titanic prove that
women should not
teach or lead
in the
church.
We,
in the
church, have a responsibility to
teach men to respect
women's bodies — regardless of what they are wearing or what activity they may get up to.
Sometimes I wonder how many
women in the
church have the gift of
teaching, but will never use it, or even entertain the possibility of possessing it.
«I was
taught that
in my
church growing up, actually,» said one
woman, a bit sheepishly.
The Holocaust is simply the biggest club available for liberal Catholics to use against traditional Catholic
teaching — especially on issues relating to sexuality, including abortion, contraception, celibacy, and the role of
women in the
Church».
What if one day we come to regard biblical
teachings about homosexuality the same way we regard
teachings about slavery, or dietary laws, or
women covering their heads
in church?
Scot McKnight was the first person to draw my attention to the fact that «anyone who thinks it is wrong for a
woman to
teach in a
church can be consistent with that point of view only if they refuse to learn from
women scholars» (The Blue Parakeet, p. 148).
Wendy is the author of Practical Theology for
Women: How Knowing God Makes a Difference in Our Daily Lives, and she spent four years teaching theology to women at Mars Hill Church in Sea
Women: How Knowing God Makes a Difference
in Our Daily Lives, and she spent four years
teaching theology to
women at Mars Hill Church in Sea
women at Mars Hill
Church in Seattle.
Their stories often suggest the appalling extent to which the
church tends not simply to ignore sexual, physical, emotional and spiritual violence against
women and children as a major crisis, but actually to provide theological justification for this violence
in its
teachings about male headship,
women's subordination, and the sinful character of sexuality.
We need to
teach on submission and
church authority structures
in a way that equips
women abused by the very leadership to which they were called to submit to boldly live out their gifting as co-heirs with Jesus Christ.
It is a good thing indeed that men as well as
women, young
women as well as matrons, and talented older people of both sexes have also been engaged
in the
teaching enterprises of the
churches.
If we add to this the sexual activity of young men of the same age, of gay men and lesbian
women at a later stage of life, and that of unmarried and divorced heterosexual couples, it becomes clear that the sexual practice of people
in our society is quite different from that held to be normative by the traditional
teaching of the
churches.
Half - way houses, therefore, must be deemed faulty when they approve
women ruling men
in secular affairs (because Scripture nowhere forbids it and sometimes exemplifies it) but not
in the
church or home (because Scripture requires male leadership
in both), or when they approve
women ruling
in today's
church (because Paul's restriction on this seems to be culturally determined) but not
in the family (because biblical
teaching on this seems to be transcultural and timeless).
The main biblical evidence is (1) the stories of the creation (Gen.I: 26 - 27 with 5:1 - 2; 2:18 - 25) and the fall (3:16 - 20); (2) Jesus» respect for
women, whom he consistently treated as men's equals (Luke 8:1 - 3; 10:38 - 42; 11:28 - 28; 13:10 - 17; 21:1 - 4; Mark 5:22 - 42; John 4:7 - 38; 8:3 - 11; 12:1 - 8; (3) references to
women ministering
in the apostolic
church by prophesying, leading
in prayer,
teaching, practicing Samaritanship both informally and as widows and deacons, and laboring
in the gospel with Apostles (Acts 2:17 - 21; 9:36 - 42; 18:24 - 26; 21:9 Rom.
Stephen B. Clark, Man and
Woman in Christ (Ann Arbor: Servant, 1980); James B. Hurley, Man and
Woman in Biblical Perspective (Leicester) InterVarsity Press; Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1981); George W Knight III, The New Testament
Teaching on the Role Relationship of Men and
Women (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1977); Fritz Zerbst, The Office of
Woman in the
Church (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1955); Karl Barth,
Church Dogmatics (Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark), III 1, pp. 288 - 329, section 41 (1958); III 2, pp. 285 - 316, section 45 (1960); III 4, pp. 116 - 240, section 54 (1961).
The patriarchal nature of the Catholic
Church and of its teaching on sexuality can not be denied; it has excluded women from any kind of significant decision - making role in the church's
Church and of its
teaching on sexuality can not be denied; it has excluded
women from any kind of significant decision - making role
in the
church's
church's life.
It says
women shouldn't
teach a man
in church.
Then there are the dangerous questions that challenge the tradition itself, like why can't
women teach men, why can't I
teach your children
in Sunday school if I'm not straight, what's this head of the household crap, why can't we have marriage equality, why is the
church so myopic, and isn't it possible that the whole human race is connected and one and that there is no separation illustrated by the ancient paradigm of heaven and hell.
The question these Religious
Women really need to answer is do they really believe
in What the Catholic
Church Teaches, Affirms and Asks of them as Religious Nuns.
The Total
Woman (Old Tappan, N.J.: Fleming H. Revel, 1973), Virginia R. Mollenkott,
Women, Men, and the Bible (Nashville: Abingdon, 1977); Helen Andelin, Fascinating Womanhood (Santa Barbara, Calif.: Pacific Press, 1963); Don Williams, The Apostle Paul and
Women in the
Church (Van Nuys, Calif.: BIM Publishing Co., 1977); Larry Christenson, The Christian Family (Minneapolis: Bethany Fellowship, 1970); Gladys Hunt, Ms. Means Myselj (Grand Rapids: Erdmans, 1972); Letha Scanzoni and Nancy Hardesty, Al1, We're Meant to Be (Waco: Word Books, 1974); Elisabeth Elliot, Let Me Be a
Woman (Wheaton: Tyndale House, 1976); George W. Knight, III, The New Testament
Teaching on the Role Relationship of Men and
Women (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1977).
This creation order and its correlatives of headship and subjection appear
in each passage [dealing with
woman's ruling /
teaching function
in the
church] just as they provide the one and only foundation for the role relationships
in marriage.
2:8 - 15 may be a response to immature
women believers
teaching heresy
in the
church).
I know many complementarians who, although they believe men should hold authority over
women in the home,
church, and society, make an exception for the marriage bed, acknowledging the Apostle Paul's
teachings on mutuality
in this regard (1 Corinthians 7:1 - 5).
The methods of form criticism help us to pick out aspects of the gospel accounts of Jesus» conduct and
teaching which are
in sharp contrast to the current practice and
teaching of his day, and which it would not have been
in the earliest
church's interest to introduce into the material: for example, Jesus» attitude to
women, his table - fellowship with «tax collectors and sinners», his refusal of the epithet «good», and Mark's comment — altered by Matthew — that
in Nazareth «he could do no mighty work».
I do not permit a
woman to
teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet» and then they silence
women in the
church...
in a well - meaning way.
A couple of examples are; that it is the
church that established universities, it is the
church that established hospitals, it was
church people who worked to abolish slavery
in the west,
church people lobbied the British Parliament for an age of consent, the emancipation of
women comes from Christian
teaching.
Questioned about homosexuality, he stressed that the
Church has fought more than any other group
in Africa to stop discrimination against homosexual people, and at the same time he clearly stressed that the family is formed from a man and a
woman, open to procreation and following the
teaching of the Catholic
Church.
On page 254, I quote again from Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood to share what John Piper and Wayne Grudem say there about
women teaching and leading
in the
church.
«If you are an evangelical
woman with
teaching gifts, there aren't always role models
in your local
church.
(
In fact, even if a lot of Calvinists prefer that women don't teach in their churches, they have to admit that any woman chosen to work with Paul and to teach Apollos SHOULD be the dream woman of every male Calvinis
In fact, even if a lot of Calvinists prefer that
women don't
teach in their churches, they have to admit that any woman chosen to work with Paul and to teach Apollos SHOULD be the dream woman of every male Calvinis
in their
churches, they have to admit that any
woman chosen to work with Paul and to
teach Apollos SHOULD be the dream
woman of every male Calvinist.
The point is that the New Testament scriptures command that
women are not to «
teach» scriptures to men, nor are they permitted to hold the office of «pastor, elder, etc.»,
IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LOCAL
CHURCH.
I know that Mars Hill [Driscoll's
church] will allow
women to share, or do
teaching of some kind, but it's put
in terms of «exhortation», and this and that.
What I mean is that, if you take 1 Timothy 2:12
in it's most plain sense, at face value, then women are not allowed to teach period; somehow you have inferred that men can learn from women when done «PRIVATELY» but not «IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LOCAL CHURCH.&raqu
in it's most plain sense, at face value, then
women are not allowed to
teach period; somehow you have inferred that men can learn from
women when done «PRIVATELY» but not «
IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LOCAL CHURCH.&raqu
IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LOCAL
CHURCH.»
Sarah Sentilles is the author of
Taught by America: A Story of Struggle and Hope
in Compton (Beacon, 2005) and A
Church of Her Own: What Happens When a
Woman Takes the Pulpit (Harcourt, 2008).
In addition to that I would add that when one begins to think thoroughly about the idea that women should not teach scripture most (if not all) churches will have some sort of gaping hole that they have incorporated into their belief regarding this that has absolutely no scriptural foundation — not to mention they typically fail to confront the contradictions in scripture regarding women in leadershi
In addition to that I would add that when one begins to think thoroughly about the idea that
women should not
teach scripture most (if not all)
churches will have some sort of gaping hole that they have incorporated into their belief regarding this that has absolutely no scriptural foundation — not to mention they typically fail to confront the contradictions
in scripture regarding women in leadershi
in scripture regarding
women in leadershi
in leadership.
In the Catholic
Church,
women are alter servers, we can read during Mass, we are ushers, we
teach Sunday School to kids, we lead bible studies, we do fundraising.
In Genesis 3, the woman usurped authority over her husband and took the lead in the Fall, and is now forbidden to do so in the local church by teaching Scriptures to me
In Genesis 3, the
woman usurped authority over her husband and took the lead
in the Fall, and is now forbidden to do so in the local church by teaching Scriptures to me
in the Fall, and is now forbidden to do so
in the local church by teaching Scriptures to me
in the local
church by
teaching Scriptures to men.