After learning there was a 60 - 70
year periodicity of el nino / la ninas why would you assume that's the extent of it?
The 11 - year averaging period minimizes the effect of variability due to the 10 — 12
year periodicity of solar irradiance as well as irregular El Niño / La Niña warming / cooling in the tropical Pacific Ocean.
Not exact matches
The researchers found that the wobble
of the Earth Tilt has a
periodicity of about 33,000
years, but that within that time span, there is another seesaw
of wobble every 1.2 million
years.
It is found that the El Niño — Southern Oscillation (ENSO) is driven not only by the seasonal heating, but also by three more external
periodicities (incommensurate to the annual period) associated with the ~ 18.6 -
year lunar - solar nutation
of the Earth rotation axis, ~ 11 -
year sunspot activity cycle and the ~ 14 - month Chandler wobble in the Earth's pole motion.
And a study by Rahmstorf (2003) also concludes that the LIA may be the most recent cold phase
of the D - O cycle, and his research suggests that the 1,470 -
year periodicity is so regular that it's more likely due to an orbital cycle than a solar cycle.
Over the last ~ 1 million
years, we have experienced large ice ages and interglacials with a
periodicity of around 100,000
years.
(see Part 1
of the Link) The way to go is simply to state clearly what the working hypothesis is and what are the reasonable assumptions that went into them — in my case the basic assumptions are that the current warming peak is a synchronous peak in the 60 and 960
year periodicities and that the 10Be and neutron count records are the best proxy for solar activity.
The underlying 20th century rise is part
of the 960
year periodicity.
The 960
year carrier wave variability can then be modulated — i.e shorter term forecasts can be then made by looking at and projecting forwards on top
of the carrier wave the shorter term multidecadal
periodicities in the PDO AMO etc..
So another neat trick to convince yourself that you found a solar - climate link is to use a very narrow band pass filter centered around 11
years, to match the rough
periodicity of the sun spot cycle, and then show that your 11
year cycle in the data matches the sun spot cycle.
Thinking
of Bond Events; there seems to be a natural oscillation with a 1,500
years or so
periodicity; so «balance» is never actually achieved.
It is a fact that there are cyclic warming and cooling events (
periodicity 1400
years plus or minus a beat timing
of 500
years) in the paleo record and roughly every 8000
years to 12,000
years the cooling is abrupt and there is a larger magnitude change.
The Reference also has a Table 1
of other proxies and paleo - temperature records that show
periodicities of between, «55 - 76
years.»
I read in one report at http://ebooks.gfz-potsdam.de/pubman/item/escidoc:8469:1/component/escidoc:8468/9810.pdf that experts think the decadal length
periodicity in LOD is related to interaction
of the earth's molten core and mantle, (the orbital period
of Jupiter is 11.86
years and may be related IMO.)
A ∼ 60 -
year periodicity was detected the vortex strength which affects the evolution
of the large - scale atmospheric circulation.
Amongst the well - known proxies that have revealed a millennial - scale climate variability during the Holocene, the ice - rafted debris (IRD) indices in the North Atlantic developed by Bond et al. (1997, 2001) present a cyclicity
of 1470 ± 500
years, which matches the 1228 ± 327 -
year periodicity evidenced in the Mar Menor, considering the respective uncertainties in the
periodicities.
Spectral analyses performed on the sand percentage revealed four major
periodicities of 1228 ± 327, 732 ± 80, 562 ± 58, and 319 ± 16
years.
The 100,000
year problem is that the
periodicity of glacials changes from ~ 41,000
years to ~ 100,000
years some 800,000
years ago.
Along with the 30
year periodicity in the Pacific in both hemispheres — is the clearest demonstration
of the stochastically forced resonance
of the system long suspected as an origin
of low frequency climate variability.
It has also been known that a component
of the variability seems to have a full period
of about 60
years although the evidence has not been strong on any real
periodicity or even quasi-
periodicity.
You just need to add that more zonal jets when the sun is active widen the subtropical high pressure cells and allow more energy into the oceans to skew Enso in favour
of El Nino over and above the basic 60
year periodicity so as to get the observed millennial climate cycling.and the temperature stepping from one PDO positive or negative phase to the next.
The period between peaks in the Isolates curve is about 22
years, corresponding with the Hale cycle, and showing zero indication
of a 30 - or 60 -
year periodicity.
All that is required is to take, as a working hypothesis the fairly small and reasonable step
of accepting that the recent peak was also a peak in the 1000
year cycle This
periodicity seen in seen in the temperature proxy and ice core data data in Figs 3 and 4 in the last post at http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com This post also contains a forecast
of the timing and extent
of the coming cooling.
As opposed to the longer period cycles
of synod conjunction
of the outer planets, which jointly swings the sun and the inner planetary system, around the SSB which beats the two long period set together, the inner planets at a rate
of once every 17.95
Years and the outer planets periodicity of ~ 179.5 y
Years and the outer planets
periodicity of ~ 179.5
yearsyears.
60
years is very close to 3X the Saturn Jupiter lap beat
of 19.859 = 59.577 Tallblokes 974
periodicity is in the ball park with 3X the USJ lap beat at 317.74 = 953.22 Chuck in a bit for other planetary influences and various lags between these drivers and earth's climate and these correlations seem likely to be meaningful.
In my»em barrassingly crude» model the amplitude
of a hypothetical cycle is only + / -0.117 degrees and has a
periodicity of around 60
years.
Simply because it got Hale cycle
periodicity wrong, assuming it is constant 22
years, it ain't, it is continuously variable (changes with periods
of actual cycles, since 1900, the HC periods were: 21.67, 20.75, 20.66, 21.42, 22.58), hence it doesn't have fixed harmonics.
These were initially thought to have a
periodicity of about 1500
years, but better dating showed intermittancy.
The results also show that the century - type cycle
of Gleissberg has a wide frequency band with a double structure consisting
of 50 — 80
years and 90 — 140
year periodicities.
And that is not going to happen any time soon even if you take the totally unjustified and unscientific step
of fitting a linear «trend» to 35
years of data taken from a system with a sizeable 60y
periodicity and project it 85
years into the future.
the totally unjustified and unscientific step
of fitting a linear «trend» to 35
years of data taken from a system with a sizeable 60y
periodicity and project it 85
years into the future.
The AMO during the Little Ice Age was characterized by a quasi-periodicity
of about 20
years, while the during the Medieval Warm Period the AMO oscillated with a period
of about 45 to 65
years... The observed intermittency
of these modes over the last 4000
years supports the view that these are internal ocean - atmosphere modes, with little or no external forcing... However, the geographic variability
of these
periodicities indicated by ice core data is not captured in model simulations.»
However, during the preceding MWP the 20
year cycle was replaced by a longer scale cycle centered near a period
of 43
years with a further 11.5
year periodicity.
The intensity
of the vortex was found to reveal a roughly 60 -
year periodicity affecting the evolution
of the large - scale atmospheric circulation and the character
of SA / GCR effects.
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Periodicities of ~ 2500, ~ 1500, and ~ 1000
years are generally observed in the North Atlantic.
Hi Steven I wouldn't discard the solar, not as yet (see vukcevic page 6) than take a look at http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bitstream/2014/22423/1/97-0910.pdf page 9: The total CAM (core angular momentum) results from the summation
of the individual cylinders with a maximum at a 15 -
year lead with respect to LOD...... (note the -65-
year periodicity).
It shows ENSO
periodicity — and an intriguing change in tempo at the turn
of the 20th century — as well as the familiar 20 to 30
year patterns
of rainfall.
There were signals
of 56 -
year regimes, «a quasi-quadriennial (4.2 -
year) and a quasi-biennial (2.2 -
year) mode, as well as additional
periodicities of 64, 19, 12, and, most strikingly, 7
years.
Based on this multidecadal
periodicity of LOD, and the fact that LOD runs ahead
of dT by 6
years, a gradually descending dT may be expected around 2005.
A dominant AMO
periodicity near 20
years is clearly observed in the southern (Dye3 site) and the central (GISP2, Crete and Milcent) regions
of Greenland.
The cosmogenic radionuclides confirm the existence
of these and other longer
periodicities (e.g., 208
year DeVries or Suess cycle, 2300
year Hallstatt cycle, and others) and also the present relatively high level
of solar activity, although there is some controversy as to how unusually high it really is [Muscheler et al., 2007; Usoskin et al., 2004; Steinhilber et al., 2008].
In general, the long - term dynamics
of both dT and - LOD have roughly a 60
year periodicity.
A period
of very weak signal strength (with a near 5 -
year periodicity) occurs in much
of the intervening epoch.
also found a unique 1.68 -
year periodicity in surface radiation for two different UK sites between 1978 and 1990, potentially indicative
of a cosmic ray effect.
This was proposed by Schulz (2002)[8] to be a regular
periodicity of 1470
years.
For a complete discussion
of this and an updated forecast
of the possible coming cooling based on the natural 1000
year and 60
year periodicities in the temperature data see http://climatesense.norpag.blogspot.com As to climate sensitivity we have no good ideas
of what it is -.
In light
of the near
periodicity in the temperature fluctuations
of the previous 10,000
years that would represent an abrupt change in the natural background variation, so it seems unlikely.
How about this one: earth's core is molten iron - magnetic north can move around and invert according to the fossil record - the earths magnetism gives us the magnetosphere in the same way the sun's magnetism gives us the heliosphere - if the sun's electromagnet had a 11
year periodicity - some kind
of resonance - then its magnetic strength could wax and wane - even better - it could be connected to Jupiter's magnetic field properties.
«Recently, Abreu et al. (2012, hereafter A2012) made a new attempt in this direction by comparing
periodicities detected in the records
of cosmogenic isotopes 10Be and 14C (or quantities derived from them) as proxies for solar activity in the past 9400
years with those
of the torque exerted on a thin shell
of an ellipsoidally deformed Sun.»
RIchard Holle has posted previously with research showing planetary gravitational effects on the sun causing a small wobble in solar centre
of gravity with a 4
year periodicity, and a possible ENSO link.