Since GHG forcing is in terms of energy and guestimated as a temperature impact, you can push the limits of
the zeroth law and show some super impressive temperature response that is just about meaningless in terms of «global» impacts.
Is P - N talking about
the zeroth law and moving on to the gravito - thermal effect?
Do you not believe in the second law of thermodynamics (which implies
the zeroth law — they are consistent)?
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Zeroth law: (Thermally connected) systems in thermodynamic equilibrium are isothermal.
Understand this and you'll understand why you are wrong, and why
the zeroth law is important.
He does have the «same» idea right; he just doesn't understand
the zeroth law.
The reason is a grand master thermal law is broken, the easiest one,
the zeroth law.
In Thermo, it is
the zeroth law and the second law — any time one has a proposed system with a non-isothermal equilibrium one can trivially violate Kelvin - Planck and Clausius with it, unless it is a very odd system indeed.
``... the point is that a stable thermal equilibrium of an isolated ideal gas with a lapse rate violates the second law of thermodynamics...
the zeroth law clearly states that the two locations (with different temperatures) are not in thermal equilibrium.»
Read
the zeroth law of thermodynamics, because it is the only macroscopic definition of temperature you are going to get.
It's going to be difficult for Jelbring to defend the conclusion that «temperatures vary in a system in thermal equilibrium» and not contradict the axiomatic statement of
the zeroth law.
One of the first things almost any intro book on stat mech or thermodynamics does is demonstrate that thermal equilibrium is isothermal —
the zeroth law of thermodynamics.
The zeroth law of thermodynamics is precisely that statement; without it there is no such thing as thermometry and we can't even measure a temperature in the first place.
Yet — as I've shown by reference to an actual textbook on thermodynamics — a thermal lapse rate of any sort in a system that supposedly in thermal equilibrium explicitly contradicts two laws of thermodynamics:
The zeroth law and the second law.
Having seen
the Zeroth Law at work «with their own eyes» — applied specifically to fluid columns in a gravitational field!
-- it becomes easier for students to appreciate that
the Zeroth Law can be derived by the calculus of variations in complete generality, without recourse to numerical examples.
Carrying through this numerical calculation will substantially improve your appreciation of the predictive power and generality of
the Zeroth Law, Doug Cotton / PSI members / Climate Etc readers!
Then again, Bjorn Stevens was in the crew advocating «adjustments» since surface temperature Ts plus sst isn't the same as tas produced by the models plus «surface» temperature has
some Zeroth law issues.
That one's named
the Zeroth law.
What it gets wrong: Adding
the Zeroth law or any other overriding directive to the robots» programming could certainly allow them the change their behavior and violate the traditional Three Laws of Robotics, but this doesn't explain why or how VIKI came to the decision to implement
the Zeroth law to begin with.
According to the experts, this is something that could never happen, but I, Robot provides a very reasonable explanation for the machines» sudden change of behavior when it is revealed that an AI named VIKI has introduced the «
Zeroth law» which states: «A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.»
We have the First, Second, Third, and
Zeroth LAWS of thermodynamics.
Not exact matches
I am specifically proving that EEJ, a specific paper written by Jelbring and published in a journal (God help the referees, absent that day on vacation or something), violates the
zeroth but especially the second
law of thermodynamics when it asserts that there will be a thermal lapse rate in an adiabatically isolated column of ideal gas in thermal equilibrium in a gravitational field.
No violations of the
zeroth or second
law of thermodynamics.
Pay special attention to the
zeroth, first and second
laws, get to understand heat engines, refrigerators, limits on efficiency and coefficient of performance.
The elementary argument already suffices to show violation of both the
zeroth and second
laws of thermodynamics by the assertion itself.
This state does not violate the
zeroth or second
laws of thermodynamics as a steady state, long time solution.
He constrains his conclusions to a specific model where they violate the
zeroth and second
law of thermodynamics.